2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Bexl]

List cuts impending most likely after our final game against the Cats.

I'm expecting the casualties to include Maibaum, Ronke, Reynolds, Stoddart, Rowbottom, Amartey and Knoll.

Question marks over Foot, Ling, Bell, Wicks, McLean .. have they shown enough??

And what do we do with Naismith? Stick fat or just cut our losses ?

Rowbottom WTF. he's a future captain of the Swannies.

[TheBloods]

Rowbottom WTF. he's a future captain of the Swannies.

Oops. That was supposed to be Rowles. Got the two mixed up. Will amend my original post.

[dejavoodoo44]

I figure the think the dregs of 17 other clubs this year will give them a few diamonds in the rough.

Yes, that might be what they're thinking, but I doubt if other team's delistings, are going to be all that much better than their own delistings. Especially from teams who have only delisted 4 or 5.

I also suspect that their management, want to send a motivating message to the players that survived the cull. Something along the lines of: if you don't perform, then you're out. Unfortunately, some players will probably interpret that message as: looks like management are arseholes, perhaps I'll be better off somewhere else.

[Colin Hounsell]

I saw an interview on twitter with a Tla player agent this morning who said they (AFL and Union) are closing in on a list size including cat A rookies of 42 for 2020. Given the current size is 44 (38 + 6) this is only a cut of 2.

But we have lust if 38 listed. 6 cat a rookies. 2 cat b rookies (O’Connor and Wicks)

I don’t know what the plan is for cat b. I reckon they want to add 3 draftees and wicks to the main list at least.

So say our list is 38 main list and 4 rookies for next year. That’s 4 you need to cut right there from the main list.

So maybe they cut from the main: Ronke, brand, e Taylor, stoddart

Swap Naismith and amartey and shift O’Connor to cat a rookie

Cut Maibaum, Knoll, Rowled from the rookie

[Colin Hounsell]

Maybe trade Ronke, E Taylor and Stoddart for our pick 4 for North’s pick 3. North need the manpower ( did Shaw used to coach Ronke). And we might have a chance if getting Tilthorpe then.

[barry]

Seems a bit extreme. While they currently have picks 2 and 10 in the first round, and an early second rounder, they don't have another pick until the fourth round. So, to replace those that they've culled, the either have to get lucky at the bottom end of the draft and the rookie draft, or trade players in. I'm not sure how attractive an option North would be, for players open to changing clubs, since they're now probably favourites for next year's wooden spoon.

They get Corr as a free agent, and maybe a few others.

[Markwebbos]

11 out so far is a big cut by Norf. They surely can’t replace all those via the draft. Maybe they reckon other clubs DFAs will be better than those 11 (plus any they trade out: Brown, Polec etc.)

They’ve got a new list manager and have already got Corr as a RFA. I’m sure they have other targets.

It would make some sense for Shaw to have his eye on some “fringe” Swans players.

Going to be a very interesting trade, fa and draft period. A big comfort knowing that Paps is staying.

Wonder who we’ll try and offload?

[barry]

Look at the positive, there are going to be great chances to plug holes in our list with reasonably handy players.

[Markwebbos]

Maybe trade Ronke, E Taylor and Stoddart for our pick 4 for North’s pick 3. North need the manpower ( did Shaw used to coach Ronke). And we might have a chance if getting Tilthorpe then.

Highly unlikely. Wouldn’t mind one of McDonald or Hollands. Suspect they’ll both be gone before our pick 4 (5 after JUH).

[gloveski]

Highly unlikely. Wouldn’t mind one of McDonald or Hollands. Suspect they’ll both be gone before our pick 4 (5 after JUH).

McDonald or Hollands would be great gets but unfortunately I think they will both begone also


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[MattW]

I figure the think the dregs of 17 other clubs this year will give them a few diamonds in the rough.

Serious question, for anyone: when was the last time a delisted player went on to be a regular at a club who picked him up?

[Thunder Shaker]

Maybe trade Ronke, E Taylor and Stoddart for our pick 4 for North’s pick 3.

I doubt any club would be interested in E.Taylor after his behaviour.

Nor would I expect Norf to trade their high pick in a one-for-one pick swap. With 11 delistings, they may be looking to trade in several picks. A possible scenario is their splitting their high pick for multiple later picks. Geelong hold three first-round picks and could be interested in swapping two late-first-round picks for Norf's high pick. With other trades, Norf could conceivably end up with four first-round picks because they already hold two. A more plausible scenario is their ending up with six to eight picks in the first four rounds, including some live pick trading. Some would be traded for players, but I expect they will go to the draft with about seven picks.

[Markwebbos]

Here you go

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/delisted-free-agency-hits-and-misses-in-the-afl-20161101-gsf5hw.html

Hits include:

Jeremy Laidler, Tim Membrey, Mitch Robinson, Joel Hamling.

I’d add Jarryd Lyons to that list

[dejavoodoo44]

Here you go

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/delisted-free-agency-hits-and-misses-in-the-afl-20161101-gsf5hw.html

Hits include:

Jeremy Laidler, Tim Membrey, Mitch Robinson, Joel Hamling.

I’d add Jarryd Lyons to that list

I just had a look at the last three years of delistings. The only ones that I noticed were Lyons, Trent McKenzie, who's now playing regularly for Port, and Lachie Keefe, who misbehaved at Collingwood and is now at GWS. I thought that Hodge was delisted by Hawthorn, but he was down as retired and then traded? There's a few others playing the odd game, like Ellis-Yeoman.

[Ralph Dawg]

Why would we trade in two players who are close to retirement? That is just inane.

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I made that comment tongue in cheek. Of course it would be insane. You would only trade those guys in if you were in a premiership window and felt they could get you over the line (which on current form would be a no).

On another note, our ruck situation is looking dire. Naismith is a crock. He would have to be almost zero chance of playing enough games in a season to make an impact. Sinclair, as whole hearted as he is, has looked very smashed up this season and is not just getting beaten in the ruck but also around the ground. Amartey and Knoll clearly are not the answer. McLean just not tall or mobile enough. We need to find ourselves a ready made ruckman and draft (main or rookie) a youngster.