2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

Anyway, I think we should avoid other clubs' discards this year. We should trade or draft (or make offers to FA) players who are established, according to need.

[dejavoodoo44]

Barring a 7 goal final quarter comeback, Adelaide have wrapped up the number one pick. Which is handy for them, as North and probably Hawthorn, look like they need it more. In the first half they were very competitive against Richmond. And the three previous wins suggest that they're heading in the right direction.

Also, earlier in the thread, I posted the names of a few players, who have been delisted and then done well at new clubs. While doing so, I knew that I was forgetting someone, but couldn't remember who it was. That someone is Ben Keays. Delisted by Brisbane last year and now playing really well at Adelaide.

[Thunder Shaker]

Barring a 7 goal final quarter comeback, Adelaide have wrapped up the number one pick. Which is handy for them, as North and probably Hawthorn, look like they need it more. In the first half they were very competitive against Richmond. And the three previous wins suggest that they're heading in the right direction.

Next year, I expect Adelaide will bounce back, and it will be between Hawthorn and North Melbourne as to which team gets the spoon.

North Melbourne is already under no illusions as to where they are, with 11 delistings. Hawthorn may yet cull their list with about half of their players having no contract for next year. If Hawthorn don't make similar cuts to North Melbourne - eight or more - they are in denial.

[Mel_C]

It's amazing what you can learn from these journalistic stunners. You have to scroll down to the last entry, then this:


Tom Derickx (2013)
Delisted by: Richmond
Picked up by: Sydney
After two games in three years at Tigerland, the inexperienced ruckman was snapped up by the Swans. Had a decent first year in the Harbour City after sitting out the first round, playing 12 matches in a row. But was dropped and then knee and hamstring injuries denied him any chance of featuring in the 2014 finals series. Managed just one more game in his final two years with the Swans as Sam Naismith, Toby Nankervis and Callum Sinclair all leapfrogged him in the ruck pecking order. Retired early last month.



Tom Derickx comes through again, by retiring early for the 2nd time, thus opening another spot on our list and perhaps saving the career of young player who was headed for the delisting.

Ludwig I assume you will be tuning in on Sunday to see Derickx strip on The All New Monty? ????

[dejavoodoo44]

Next year, I expect Adelaide will bounce back, and it will be between Hawthorn and North Melbourne as to which team gets the spoon.

North Melbourne is already under no illusions as to where they are, with 11 delistings. Hawthorn may yet cull their list with about half of their players having no contract for next year. If Hawthorn don't make similar cuts to North Melbourne - eight or more - they are in denial.

Yes, from about two thirds of the way through next season, I expect Clarkson to be lobbying for a priority pick (that's assuming Kennett hasn't had him escorted from the building).

[Ludwig]

I feel sorry for Brady Rowles. He might have the most leg speed of any Swan. He's certainly up there. He hasn't played a game at any level. Any now most of RWO, including myself, think he should or could be delisted.

The 1st round rookie list picks have been great for the Swans. How do we know that Rowles is not a future AFL star? What's the basis for delisting him, except that he's not had any exposed form?

North delisted a 20 yo 4th round pick after 2 years and 0 games, and 3rd year rookie player, 22 yo Tom Murphy, who played 6 games this year. The other 9 ranged from age 23 to 29 (3). So for the most part, we can say the there were a lot of players delisted who had a fair amount of games, but had not done well enough to deserve another contract. I think that's fair enough for a club that needs to get a very fresh start.

The Swans don't have many players in that demographic who are begging for delisting. Thurlow and Clarke would have been the type of player North delisted, but with generally good recent form, have dropped back from the delisting window, or not totally exonerated.

Despite both finishing far down the ladder, we are in different circumstances than North and have very different lists. I don't think we should expect the same action from our management.

[SwanSand]

It seems that we would not delist more than 4-5. But there would be a few on one year contracts.

Maibaum, Rowles, Stoddardt, Reynolds the most likely. Sam Gray should also be. And then there are the fringe ones.
Amartey and Knoll needed but their contracts may get delayed before we recruit someone else from other clubs.
O‘Connor and Brand needed KPD prototype but unclear development and role play so maybe yearly contracts going forward.
Foote, Ronke , Lewis Taylor - all Going for the same spot - along with Wicks, Gulden, Campbell, Papley, Heeney. But maybe with Elijah gone - Foote and Ronke should stay. I am not sure who has more upskilling chance. Both have problems.
In the backline, Ling should stay in my opinion. He is 1st round draftee, who has not been given enough chance to develop. Maybe another with yearly contract till we know what happens with the list size.

Stoddardt is an interesting one - he is skilful, but he probably has no x-factor aka great kicking game like McInerney or booming kick like Thurlow or ability to slot in when someone gets injured and just get the job done but again he is young. Unless we get someone with good skills from another club in the right age group, or we can recycle a forward from another club into a defensive player we should probably hold him.

[MattW]

I feel sorry for Brady Rowles. He might have the most leg speed of any Swan. He's certainly up there. He hasn't played a game at any level. Any now most of RWO, including myself, think he should or could be delisted.

The 1st round rookie list picks have been great for the Swans. How do we know that Rowles is not a future AFL star? What's the basis for delisting him, except that he's not had any exposed form?

North delisted a 20 yo 4th round pick after 2 years and 0 games, and 3rd year rookie player, 22 yo Tom Murphy, who played 6 games this year. The other 9 ranged from age 23 to 29 (3). So for the most part, we can say the there were a lot of players delisted who had a fair amount of games, but had not done well enough to deserve another contract. I think that's fair enough for a club that needs to get a very fresh start.

The Swans don't have many players in that demographic who are begging for delisting. Thurlow and Clarke would have been the type of player North delisted, but with generally good recent form, have dropped back from the delisting window, or not totally exonerated.

Despite both finishing far down the ladder, we are in different circumstances than North and have very different lists. I don't think we should expect the same action from our management.

Agree with all of that. There aren’t many of our players with exposed form demonstrating they’re clearly not up to it. Having said that, we’ve had no sign of any kind Rowles could make it. I think barracuda might have mentioned his skills are poor. I don’t think if seen him in any of the club’s official social media shots, which is kind of strange.

[dejavoodoo44]

Despite both finishing far down the ladder, we are in different circumstances than North and have very different lists. I don't think we should expect the same action from our management.

And I would be very disappointed if we followed a similar path. To me, North's cull was reminiscent of the golden age of tanking, where sides could gamble on getting rid of average players, knowing that a priority pick at the top of the draft, would give them something like picks 1 and 2, and perhaps a handy top up next year, of say, picks 2 and 5. Sometimes that worked, sometimes it seemed to lock in a losing culture. Without a priority pick or two, I can't really see North challenging for the eight, any time soon.

[707]

And take Barry Connor And bell off as they have two year deals despite the published lists.

Thanks guys, I know a number of contract status threads/sites are inaccurate. In dark times having a contract is gold.

Every year there's always a surprise in who did or didn't get delisted. As many of us have noted, no Swan has been cut and gone on to a decent career at another club. Membrey was a trade that didn't happen, we wanted to keep him, he wanted to go. Saints owe us!

[Nico]

The problem with Ronke is he is not getting where the ball is at.

[111431]

The problem with Ronke is he is not getting where the ball is at.

A bit hard with a damaged back

[Ludwig]

The problem with Ronke is he is not getting where the ball is at.

A bit hard with a damaged back

He's only in a position to receive a hospital ball atm. And a visit from Harry Cunningham, of course.

[Nico]

A bit hard with a damaged back

Yeh, but his form was pretty ordinary before that.

What about Ben Brown. If Daniher is no longer on our radar, is Brown.

[Markwebbos]

No to Ben Brown.