2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • neilfws
    Senior Player
    • Aug 2009
    • 1826

    Originally posted by stellation
    Heading back to GWS.
    Apparently so!

    Stevie J Returns to GIANTS

    Originally posted by Markwebbos
    His choice or ours?
    Swans news mentions "exploring other opportunities", sounds like he was approached by GWS to fill the gap left by their departing assistants.

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    • waswan
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2015
      • 2047

      Probably wasnt guaranteed another 3yrs with us

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      • AnnieH
        RWOs Black Sheep
        • Aug 2006
        • 11332

        Originally posted by neilfws
        Steve Johnson is leaving.

        Johnson to depart
        Yay.
        He can take his toxicity back to GW$. Whatever a "line" coach is, I'm sure he'll stuff that up too.
        Best behinds coach we ever had.
        Leaves shoes for Buddy to fill.
        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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        • Melbourne_Blood
          Senior Player
          • May 2010
          • 3312

          Originally posted by AnnieH
          Yay.
          He can take his toxicity back to GW$. Whatever a "line" coach is, I'm sure he'll stuff that up too.
          Best behinds coach we ever had.
          Leaves shoes for Buddy to fill.
          Toxicity? From all I’ve seen he seemed to be an absolute favourite of many of the young guys.


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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by AnnieH
            Yay.
            He can take his toxicity back to GW$. Whatever a "line" coach is, I'm sure he'll stuff that up too.
            Best behinds coach we ever had.
            Leaves shoes for Buddy to fill.
            I don't understand the animosity toward Stevie J.

            He coached one of the youngest forward lines and we were still one of the most efficient sides converting inside 50s into scores. I'm sorry to see him go.

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            • MattW
              Veterans List
              • May 2011
              • 4220

              Jesse Hogan, anyone?

              AFL trade news, rumours, whispers 2020: Joe Daniher Brisbane, Geelong, Shaun Higgins, Jesse Hogan contract | FOX SPORTS

              I really like him when he's fit: excellent lead-up target. Only 25. Trade value has dropped. One year to go on his contract.

              "Jesse Hogan Career Stats" https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...s--jesse-hogan

              I guess, though, the guiding principle this year is not to eat into our draft hand unless spending on a gun (which he's not at this point).

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              Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
              Toxicity? From all I’ve seen he seemed to be an absolute favourite of many of the young guys.


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              Yes, I suspect he's somewhat responsible for Papley’s development.

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              • Mark26
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2017
                • 1535

                With Stevie J out the door, I wonder if we'll get Tadhg back?

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                • TheBloods
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Feb 2020
                  • 2047

                  Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                  Toxicity? From all I’ve seen he seemed to be an absolute favourite of many of the young guys.


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                  A big head who was a favourite among the big headed cohort of our playing group is not what I would consider to be a widespread appraisal of his tenure.

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                  • Melbourne_Blood
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2010
                    • 3312

                    Originally posted by TheBloods
                    A big head who was a favourite among the big headed cohort of our playing group is not what I would consider to be a widespread appraisal of his tenure.
                    My comment was related to the ‘toxicity’ mentioned. In any case, I think the midfield coach/ coaches have a bit more to answer for than the forwards coach.


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                    • barracuda
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Jun 2016
                      • 551

                      Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                      Toxicity? From all I’ve seen he seemed to be an absolute favourite of many of the young guys.


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                      I can absolutely assure that was not the case

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                      Originally posted by Markwebbos
                      I don't understand the animosity toward Stevie J.

                      He coached one of the youngest forward lines and we were still one of the most efficient sides converting inside 50s into scores. I'm sorry to see him go.
                      He is just a really bad coach. No structures, no instruction. Quite petty and out of his depth.

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                      • Melbourne_Blood
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2010
                        • 3312

                        Originally posted by barracuda
                        I can absolutely assure that was not the case
                        Well you would know better than me, just commenting on my take from the swans social media etc. what was the issue with Stevie from your source ?


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                        • TheBloods
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Feb 2020
                          • 2047

                          Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                          My comment was related to the ‘toxicity’ mentioned. In any case, I think the midfield coach/ coaches have a bit more to answer for than the forwards coach.


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                          Yes and your personality only being suited to a certain type of player can lead to toxicity. If you ask Papley, Hayward, Blakey, McInerney their thoughts on Stevie J, of course they would love him. Like Stevie J, they have a bit of how-ya-goin' about them on and off the field. I know for a fact there are players on our list who have not warmed to Stevie J's character. And before you suggest that it is natural for people not to gravitate to certain others, while that is true, it is a coaches job to make himself accessible to every player under him, and adjust his demeanour to every player. That is what a leader does. It is why John Longmire is regarded as one of the best people persons in football. As I understand it Stevie J does not have this quality.

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                          • KTigers
                            Senior Player
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 2499

                            Originally posted by Markwebbos
                            I don't understand the animosity toward Stevie J.

                            He coached one of the youngest forward lines and we were still one of the most efficient sides converting inside 50s into scores. I'm sorry to see him go.
                            Me neither. The club must have rated him as he was kept on while a number of other coaches were let go. Maybe he just
                            got a better offer from GWS. He has a big family to feed.

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                            • barracuda
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Jun 2016
                              • 551

                              Originally posted by KTigers
                              Me neither. The club must have rated him as he was kept on while a number of other coaches were let go. Maybe he just
                              got a better offer from GWS. He has a big family to feed.
                              I think he was kept as he had a contract.

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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                Originally posted by barracuda
                                I can absolutely assure that was not the case

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                                He is just a really bad coach. No structures, no instruction. Quite petty and out of his depth.
                                Fair enough Barracuda. I reckon you have inside information that I don't (although you may wish to explain to Wolftone on the other thread). Annie do you have inside information too?

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                                Originally posted by MattW
                                Jesse Hogan, anyone?

                                AFL trade news, rumours, whispers 2020: Joe Daniher Brisbane, Geelong, Shaun Higgins, Jesse Hogan contract | FOX SPORTS

                                I really like him when he's fit: excellent lead-up target. Only 25. Trade value has dropped. One year to go on his contract.

                                "Jesse Hogan Career Stats" https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...s--jesse-hogan

                                I guess, though, the guiding principle this year is not to eat into our draft hand unless spending on a gun (which he's not at this point).

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                                Yes, I suspect he's somewhat responsible for Papley’s development.
                                I thought Hogan was worth a crack earlier in the year, but I think he's re-established his place in the last few weeks, and will now be much harder to prise out.
                                Think he'd be a great pickup.

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