2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[stevoswan]

For me there are several areas that can make a huge difference either way to our trajectory next 3 years

Id like to put coaching on the table as one area to add to greater success........my suggestion is starting the year 2022:

We have come 15th and 15th the last two seasons. Yes we have tended to play a one on one style of footy this year which makes it very difficult for a young team to win. Yes this style of accountability and development generally leads to greater experience and ability down the line, especially when key players come back into our team like Bud, Heeney, Hewett, Rampe.

Yet I think a coach swap for season 2022 ie Geelongs Chris Scott for John Longmire would be an amazing move by the Swans. Nothing to loose and only to gain with a coach like Scott and his success and acumen.

They have both coached almost identical amount of games in AFL. Scott 44yrs of age and Longmire 49yrs of age

Scott has lead Geelong to 9 finals appearances in 10 seasons. 160 wins from 232 games = 69% win rate

Scotts win-rate of 69 per cent is the best of any coach to ever lead a club in 100-plus games plus he was the equal youngest coach to win a GF in his first year coaching.

Johnny Longmire 144 wins from 235 games = 61%

Geelongs ability to recruit on the run, blood 10 new debutants in 2012 and similar in other seasons has been remarkable when it comes to making finals footy almost every year.

Both longmire and scott are under contract until 2022/23.

Both clubs could benefit, both clubs are going through a rebuild in some ways again. The Cats a fair few debutants last year and us a lot this year last year. Both clubs are about to loose super star players next year, year after etc so will have similar list challenges.

Is this an early April 1st post?

[Auntie.Gerald]

having or showing an attitude of patronising superiority?

[Markwebbos]

What a strange thing to say......did Vezpremi even get a game? Stephens has already shown that he is way above Vezpremi.

On Serong, we should get in his ear in the near future. If he had barracked for Hawthorn, the Vic journo's would already be writing things like "when the Hawks lure Serong back to Victoria to bolster their midfield, ect". Although with Freo seemingly on the rise......luring him to NSW may be a challenge. We need to thrash them next year!

Maybe he can ask to “go home” to Sydney in the style of Zac Williams?

[SwanSand]

Just counted how many first and second round drafted players are there on other teams. Of Course not drafted by the team they are playing currently at.
Richmond have 20 first and second round players and West Coast 24. Again not all of these players are regular in the team. Richmond have 3 not playing in the main team yet on a regular basis and West Coast have nearly 8.
Besides these Richmond have atleast 6-8 players outside these 20 who are regular players in the team. West Coast have 6 - 8 players outside these in the team on a regular basis (either 3rd round picks or Rookies etc).

On the other hand, We have 16 first and second round players on our list but unfortunately our players fall into the three categories -
Too old and not on park - Buddy Franklin
Too Young - Dylan Stephens and Will Gould
Or Recycled from other teams and not necessarily great players - Ryan Clarke, Lewis Taylor, Jackson Thurlow.

So if we go by just draft or great players in their age group - We need to accumulate players over next 3 - 4 years to be at the level of Richmond or West Coast Eagles. Many will come through our Draft and then specific targeting.

Eg - Maybe if Geelong is interested in Crouch and getting him, we could target Charlie Constable or maybe even Cooper Stephens (drafted last year)

[Markwebbos]

JD about to do a tour of Brisbane's training facilities according to Sam Edmund

Joe Daniher poised to tour training facilities of opposition club "very soon"

[Captain]

I would be keen for us to go after Tom Greene at the Giants.

[Ludwig]

Just counted how many first and second round drafted players are there on other teams. Of Course not drafted by the team they are playing currently at.
Richmond have 20 first and second round players and West Coast 24. Again not all of these players are regular in the team. Richmond have 3 not playing in the main team yet on a regular basis and West Coast have nearly 8.
Besides these Richmond have atleast 6-8 players outside these 20 who are regular players in the team. West Coast have 6 - 8 players outside these in the team on a regular basis (either 3rd round picks or Rookies etc).

On the other hand, We have 16 first and second round players on our list but unfortunately our players fall into the three categories -
Too old and not on park - Buddy Franklin
Too Young - Dylan Stephens and Will Gould
Or Recycled from other teams and not necessarily great players - Ryan Clarke, Lewis Taylor, Jackson Thurlow.

So if we go by just draft or great players in their age group - We need to accumulate players over next 3 - 4 years to be at the level of Richmond or West Coast Eagles. Many will come through our Draft and then specific targeting.

Eg - Maybe if Geelong is interested in Crouch and getting him, we could target Charlie Constable or maybe even Cooper Stephens (drafted last year)

North Melbourne just delisted 3 first round picks and 2 second rounders. Maybe we should swoop down and sign them up to boost our high draft pick numbers. We can make space by delisting some of our rookie picks, like Lloyd, Rampe, Cunningham, Fox, Wicks and Papley. It might just be what's needed to win a premiership next year.

[Ludwig]

I would be keen for us to go after Tom Greene at the Giants.

If we want a gun inside midfielder, we can probably get Will Phillips in the draft with pick 3. Some say he's as good as Rowell. He has the advantage on Greene by being very quick and can burst away from the contest with his acceleration.

Personally, I would prefer a key forward, but a future with Phillips and Rowbottom in the midfield would be very powerful.

In this highlight video

https://www.afl.com.au/video/494490/tough-midfielder-phillips-could-be-top-10-pick?videoId=494490&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1598277600001

there is a nice passage of play from the 50 second mark that starts with Braeden Campbell kicking to Phillips who kicks to a player in the goal square that looks like Caleb Serong.

[Ralph Dawg]

I would be keen for us to go after Tom Greene at the Giants.

Would you do it for our pick 3?

[barry]

I would be keen for us to go after Tom Greene at the Giants.

Dont you sign a two year deal when you get drafted, so he wont be available until end of 2021, and considering the trouble the Giants went to to get him (basically pick 6 and pick 8), I'd be suprised if they let him go easily.

[Captain]

Would you do it for our pick 3?

That's a great question! I would probably lean towards yes (but only just).

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Dont you sign a two year deal when you get drafted, so he wont be available until end of 2021, and considering the trouble the Giants went to to get him (basically pick 6 and pick 8), I'd be suprised if they let him go easily.

Yes he is contracted, but seems like no one cares about contracts anymore if the right deal can be done.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I wouldn't give up pick 3 for him, but as an aside ...

I'm 6'4". I stood next to him and his family in an airport checking counter at Canberra on draft morning last year, when he was clearly making his way north to the event.

He is HUGE. Not just in height, but a big lump of a lad. He'd be freaking intimidating to slide in next to in the centre square, unless you were Cripps or the Bont or Joey.

[neilfws]

Steve Johnson is leaving.

Johnson to depart

[stellation]

Steve Johnson is leaving.

Johnson to depart

Heading back to GWS.

[Markwebbos]

Steve Johnson is leaving.

Johnson to depart

His choice or ours?