2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Nico]

With little exposure this year of Under 18 players I wonder if Kinnear has his eyes on a smokey they have identified.

[bloodspirit]

This article lists a number of decent players who are not currently getting a game at their clubs: Will he ever get picked? 10 players mysteriously on the outer. I'm not too familiar with most of them (e.g. Fiorini, Blakely, J. Sinclair), although our own Lewis Melican is one of them. I wonder if Charlie Constable, or, possibly, Matt Kennedy would deserve consideration. Constable is a good size and wouldn't cost the world. Kennedy might enjoy a return to NSW but hasn't set the world on fire - he'd be even cheaper than Constable I'd think. I would expect for these fringe type players we'd only want to look at players who are still young and have plenty of upside. Noah Balta is another, a KPP, a position we might be lacking in depending on who we de-list this off-season.

[bloodspirit]

Interesting and surprising factoid: according to this article - Heeney leads new award - Hawthorn has more NSW bred players than we do! Swans have 5, Hawks have 6 and Giants have 12! How come, when we have our own Academy do we still have so few NSW players?

Actually, I'm questioning those figures. Don't we have: Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Rampe, Cunningham, Naismith, Bell and Wicks from NSW? Plus Stephens and Rowle from just across the border on the other side of the Murray?

[Nico]

This article lists a number of decent players who are not currently getting a game at their clubs: Will he ever get picked? 10 players mysteriously on the outer. I'm not too familiar with most of them (e.g. Fiorini, Blakely, J. Sinclair), although our own Lewis Melican is one of them. I wonder if Charlie Constable, or, possibly, Matt Kennedy would deserve consideration. Constable is a good size and wouldn't cost the world. Kennedy might enjoy a return to NSW but hasn't set the world on fire - he'd be even cheaper than Constable I'd think. I would expect for these fringe type players we'd only want to look at players who are still young and have plenty of upside. Noah Balta is another, a KPP, a position we might be lacking in depending on who we de-list this off-season.

Don't need any fringe players clogging up the list. Why would we delist people like Thurlow only to pick up like for like. Clearly youth is the only way to.

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Interesting and surprising factoid: according to this article - Heeney leads new award - Hawthorn has more NSW bred players than we do! Swans have 5, Hawks have 6 and Giants have 12! How come, when we have our own Academy do we still have so few NSW players?

Actually, I'm questioning those figures. Don't we have: Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Rampe, Cunningham, Naismith, Bell and Wicks from NSW? Plus Stephens and Rowle from just across the border on the other side of the Murray?

Because they stripped them from us and other interstate clubs.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Interesting and surprising factoid: according to this article - Heeney leads new award - Hawthorn has more NSW bred players than we do! Swans have 5, Hawks have 6 and Giants have 12! How come, when we have our own Academy do we still have so few NSW players?

Actually, I'm questioning those figures. Don't we have: Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Rampe, Cunningham, Naismith, Bell and Wicks from NSW? Plus Stephens and Rowle from just across the border on the other side of the Murray?

Maybe he's excluding the rookie listings? But that's still 6 - and what do they mean by "bred"?
Conception?
Birth?
Childhood?
Maybe they excluded Blakey as he was born in Melbourne and didn't get to Sydney until he was 6?

Regarding the academy, there was a bit of a discussion last month: General footy chat Horse was on Footy Classified

[barry]

I think Collingwoods Mason Cox is a ruckman who could play forward, but because of Grundy, they play him as a forward almost all the time.

He rucking is a bit ordinary at the moment, but he is tall, and I think he would be worth a stab to become our main ruckman. His body is solid.
Buckley and Eddie are going to realise soon enough that he cant hold down their forward spot, and he may come cheap.

[liz]

Don't need any fringe players clogging up the list. Why would we delist people like Thurlow only to pick up like for like. Clearly youth is the only way to.

Ted Richards, Josh Kennedy and Shane Mumford were fringe players (up and comers) when targeted by the Swans.

Rhyce Shaw and Ben McGlynn were fringe players (established but no longer wanted by their clubs) when targeted by the Swans.

Tim Membrey and Toby Nankervis were fringe players when targeted by St Kilda and Richmond respectively.

[Mark26]

I think Collingwoods Mason Cox is a ruckman who could play forward, but because of Grundy, they play him as a forward almost all the time.

He rucking is a bit ordinary at the moment, but he is tall, and I think he would be worth a stab to become our main ruckman. His body is solid.
Buckley and Eddie are going to realise soon enough that he cant hold down their forward spot, and he may come cheap.

I think Mason could be a good pickup as a ruckman. Has the height and is just shy of 30. Anyone know his contract status?

[jono2707]

Ted Richards, Josh Kennedy and Shane Mumford were fringe players (up and comers) when targeted by the Swans.

Rhyce Shaw and Ben McGlynn were fringe players (established but no longer wanted by their clubs) when targeted by the Swans.

We all yearn for more recruiting success like that, but unfortunately there have been more misses than hits with the fringe players over the past few years. Have we lost our mojo in this area????

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Ted Richards, Josh Kennedy and Shane Mumford were fringe players (up and comers) when targeted by the Swans.

Rhyce Shaw and Ben McGlynn were fringe players (established but no longer wanted by their clubs) when targeted by the Swans.

Tim Membrey and Toby Nankervis were fringe players when targeted by St Kilda and Richmond respectively.

We all yearn for more recruiting success like that, but unfortunately there have been more misses than hits with the fringe players over the past few years. Have we lost our mojo in this area????

There seems to be gradiations of fringe-ness

I looked and since our last premiership I could only find 3 players we've actually traded in: Lewis Taylor 48, Ryan Clarke 62, Jackson Thurlow 70 and Talia back in 2015 who I think was for an exchange of picks.
So all were quite inexpensive and all had spent a minimum of 3 seasons at their previous clubs, they were perhaps already on the 'outer fringe' (borderline delisting) when we purchased them.

So it's not been an area of much activity.

Those recent acquisitions were also more inexpensive in terms of picks. Richards, Mumford and Kennedy* were all more expensive. More sort of 'inner fringe'

[barry]

I think Mason could be a good pickup as a ruckman. Has the height and is just shy of 30. Anyone know his contract status?

Comes out of contract at the end of this year, and is an Australian citizen.

[Mark26]

Comes out of contract at the end of this year, and is an Australian citizen.

I like the idea Baz. Let's have a coffee with KB and get him onto it.

[111431]

I like the idea Baz. Let's have a coffee with KB and get him onto it.

we just gave Collingwood the equivalent of Cox in the form of Cameron - slow and lumbering but tall. I think the 2m Peter suggestion is a better one to follow

[barry]

I like the idea Baz. Let's have a coffee with KB and get him onto it.

I'm free tomorrow at 12:30.
Ive booked a table at Urban Cafe, Herb Elliot Avenue, Homebush.
c u there.

[Ludwig]

Noah Balta and Mabior Chol of Richmond are 2 exciting young forward/ruckmen that have problems breaking into the side which includes 2 regular ruckmen in Nankervis and Soldo, as well as 2 elite key forwards. Balta seems next in line. Both are contracted through 2021, but perhaps one can be wrenched out of Richmond. I think Chol would be a good addition if Amartey doesn't show enough promise by year end.