2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[rb4x]

If Preuss goes to Hawthorn it would be on the basis that he is ahead of Ceglar with McEvoy in defence. Essendon must also need a ruckman as well with Bellchabers retiring and McKernan and Daniher moving out. They have Draper who is very promising but injury prone and young and then what, maybe Stewart.

If we are into Hickey we are really going bargain basement as a stopgap. Does not spell well for Knoll, McLean or even Amartey. Would much prefer Sam Hayes from Port who is behind Ladhams but he might be hard to get.

[707]

McEvoy has been moved to defence hasn't he? Either way, Preuss doesn't strike me as a particularly bright bloke, and I hope we don't get him.

As for Mihocek: he's said he wants to stay and McGuire has said they want him to stay, so I'm sure they'll find a way.

Mihocek will get himself a highly paid part time gig at some company associated with Fatchins!

Preuss appears to be better than Ceglar so it would be him that plays VFL.

Going to be a fascinating trade period with so many players on the move. FA compo is going to push out our picks which will hurt as we are already short on points.

I'd like us to use pick 3 on a player but, if we didn't have a target player still there after the initial picks are taken, I wonder if we'd settle for Campbell, Gulden and a later pick or two and convert pick 3 on the night into 2020 later picks/points and a 2021 second, Crows, Norths, Bombers who should finish towards the bottom?

Every option will be explored no doubt

[MattW]

Mihocek will get himself a highly paid part time gig at some company associated with Fatchins!

Preuss appears to be better than Ceglar so it would be him that plays VFL.

Going to be a fascinating trade period with so many players on the move. FA compo is going to push out our picks which will hurt as we are already short on points.

I'd like us to use pick 3 on a player but, if we didn't have a target player still there after the initial picks are taken, I wonder if we'd settle for Campbell, Gulden and a later pick or two and convert pick 3 on the night into 2020 later picks/points and a 2021 second, Crows, Norths, Bombers who should finish towards the bottom?

Every option will be explored no doubt

Must be some chance the FA compo falls later than pick 3. Which compensation do you have in mind?

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[barry]

I wouldn't right-off daniher just yet. Dodo will play hardball with the lions, and the lions will tell him to f-off. He will then go to free agency (no trade required). If that falls down he's in the Pre season draft. North won't pick him. They are after youth. And Adelaide won't because he's to risky. Then its us. PSD takes Brisbane out of the picture.

[barry]

I think it's unlikely we will get Cameron. He is holding out for more cash and the big boys in Melbourne all seen to have limitless buckets off gold and cap space. Last thing we need is to get into a bidding war.

This is a good test case for giants retention. He's been paid bucket loads already in his career, and asking for more than $700k now seems ambitious.
Does he love the club or the money?

At that price, we should leave well alone.

[AnnieH]

I wouldn't right-off daniher just yet. Dodo will play hardball with the lions, and the lions will tell him to f-off. He will then go to free agency (no trade required). If that falls down he's in the Pre season draft. North won't pick him. They are after youth. And Adelaide won't because he's to risky. Then its us. PSD takes Brisbane out of the picture.

Yeah, no thanks.
One and a half broken full forwards are enough, thanks.

[KTigers]

This is a good test case for giants retention. He's been paid bucket loads already in his career, and asking for more than $700k now seems ambitious.
Does he love the club or the money?

At that price, we should leave well alone.

I think in the past there has been the expectation that the salary cap would keep on rising indefinitely and so signing
a player to a long term $1M (or thereabouts) a year contract wouldn't seem as onerous when the player enters the
latter years of that contract. You'd imagine that thinking may have changed of late and probably even before Covid
came along.
So far we've got 5 1/2 years of footy out of Buddy. He may not play again. He may, but his best years are behind
him. So does the club really want to be paying a banged up Jeremy Cameron $1M a year when he is 33? He will be
good for a couple years then he'll start falling away. They all do. And as for Joe Daniher... it's hard to tell if he
even wants to play football anymore.

[111431]

This is a good test case for giants retention. He's been paid bucket loads already in his career, and asking for more than $700k now seems ambitious.
Does he love the club or the money?

At that price, we should leave well alone.

Don't forget they have moved contracts around to accommodate other players. This year would have been his pay day but he had to take the 50% pay cut so don't be too hard on him for wanting a bit back

[707]

Must be some chance the FA compo falls later than pick 3. Which compensation do you have in mind?

I was talking about all the compo picks that will be added this year. Worse case is Brad Crouch gets Crows pick 2 pushing us out to pick 4.

Other already known compo picks that will hurt us later are GWS Williams, mid first round, Daniher could be mid first round, GWS Cameron if he goes mid first round, GWS Corr could be early second.

Our pick 22 could easily end up late 20's losing us lots of points :-(

[Industrial Fan]

Surely crows don’t get pick 2 for crouch, would be madness.

2nd round compo seems more likely, it’s still a good pick with their ladder position

[707]

Surely crows don’t get pick 2 for crouch, would be madness.

2nd round compo seems more likely, it’s still a good pick with their ladder position

They will if a club gives him enough money and years. I think it's very unlikely though, not a damaging mid, more an accumulator and has a long injury history. End of first round would be my guess then it's a matter of whether the Crows match or just let him go and bank the pick.

[Markwebbos]

Surely crows don’t get pick 2 for crouch, would be madness.

2nd round compo seems more likely, it’s still a good pick with their ladder position

Most commentators seem to believe they'll get compo at the end of the first round, and that pick 2 would be overs... but this plays into whether it's in their interest to let him go or not. I don't remember whether the AFL tells teams BEFORE a FA deal is done what the compo will be. From memory they have to wait until AFTERWARDS, which could make for even more fun at the Dodo's expense.

[Melbourne_Blood]

I wouldn't right-off daniher just yet. Dodo will play hardball with the lions, and the lions will tell him to f-off. He will then go to free agency (no trade required). If that falls down he's in the Pre season draft. North won't pick him. They are after youth. And Adelaide won't because he's to risky. Then its us. PSD takes Brisbane out of the picture.

I heard on SEN earlier ( Cal Twomey I think ) that the lions offer likely won’t reap a first round pick in FA compo ( length and dollars wise) so the Dons are going to match it and force a trade. If that falls down then yes, he walks to the PS draft.


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[Markwebbos]

I heard on SEN earlier ( Cal Twomey I think ) that the lions offer likely won’t reap a first round pick in FA compo ( length and dollars wise) so the Dons are going to match it and force a trade. If that falls down then yes, he walks to the PS draft.

I'm pretty relieved we aren't going through this with Dodo.

Which is the lesser evil for the Lions: (1) to commit enough $ in the contract to an injury prone player like JD to get pick 8 as compo (and maybe avoid having to trade) (2) to have to give up both their first round picks (17 and 18) but have a less risky contract or (3) to take their chances in the PSD.

[Markwebbos]

Fascinating observations being made about Saad leaving Essendon. Caro says there was a game where he was asked to play a negating role against Brisbane and refused. Now wants to leave the club. Lloyd in paper today saying the club needs a cultural review and everyone seems to be siding with Saad. If true and he pushed back on instructions on playing a role, i wouldn't want him at the club. The problem at Essendon seems to be that they are bunch of entitled individualistic players who want what is best for them and want the club to accommodate it. My observation is that the cultural rot is in the playing group not the club and that essendon should move on any players not vested in a team / club first ethic and use their draft picks to rebuild the playing group culture. If they don't do this they will be regretting it for years to come. I shudder to think of having such a culture at the swans.

Sam Edmund on trade radio says the opposite, that Saad was prepared to play most of the season as a lockdown defender but others refused to play their role. It's as if the club is briefing Caro and the agent Edmund.