2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ludwig]

Hollands ACL recon this last 12months ?

It was in Feb this year. So should be pretty far along now without complications.

[MattW]

Who are we and what do we stand for if we're trading Luke Parker - club captain, former B&F winner, who'll finish top 2 in the b&f this year.

Success doesn't come at any price, particularly trades involving heart and soul players.

[Steve]

The available ruckmen ranks are running low. There's Peter Wright, who has said he prefers not to be a ruckman. And a couple of Richmond players in Coleman-Jones and Chol. Maybe we've made a play for CJ and are just waiting for the season to end to go public, since Richmond are still playing finals. Otherwise, it's looking like Cal Sinclair is the man in the middle next year again.

No Ruckman, No Cry! It looks as though I'm getting my wish that the Swans play ruckless, even as I was starting to change my mind. I guess it's too late to go back. They've taken me seriously.

It is a bit of a shame there isn't a promising, emerging ruckman available, as we have the perfect opportunity available to entice one.

I had been of the mind that if we can't get a decent young ruck then we may as well continue with Sinclair and the existing makeshift backup. The main concern there, and I assume the reason someone like Hickey is being looked at, is if Sinclair goes down or drops off, we don't want our young midfield learning to just rove to the opposition ruckman because we have Aliir, McLean etc as the token ruckman at contests.

Then maybe over the next couple of years we get hold of a genuine ruckman who slots in seamlessly.

[Auntie.Gerald]

luckily there is no failure only outcomes

[Markwebbos]

It is a bit of a shame there isn't a promising, emerging ruckman available, as we have the perfect opportunity available to entice one.

I had been of the mind that if we can't get a decent young ruck then we may as well continue with Sinclair and the existing makeshift backup. The main concern there, and I assume the reason someone like Hickey is being looked at, is if Sinclair goes down or drops off, we don't want our young midfield learning to just rove to the opposition ruckman because we have Aliir, McLean etc as the token ruckman at contests.

Then maybe over the next couple of years we get hold of a genuine ruckman who slots in seamlessly.

We've only missed out on Ladhams and Preuss, we may have other irons in the fire. It's a slightly weird sell because theoretically Naismith will be available next year. Maybe we are trying to coax TD out of retirement?

[AB Swannie]

Very much a hypothetical but Sam Hayes is the other young ruck at Port Adelaide who has shown potential. He is stuck behind Ladhams and Lycett.

[Ludwig]

Very much a hypothetical but Sam Hayes is the other young ruck at Port Adelaide who has shown potential. He is stuck behind Ladhams and Lycett.

You could be right about Hayes. 3 years in the AFL and 0 games. He was rated the best ruckman in the 2017 draft, but didn't get picked till #47. He's a bit skinny, but maybe that's the kind of ruckman we want, instead of the more powerful Preuss, and might explain why we didn't throw our hat in the ring for him.

Typical Swans, not showing our hand too early.

Hayes and Paddy McCartin would be a pretty cheap way to fill a couple of key position needs.

[Auntie.Gerald]

pretty sure sam hayes did his acl 2018/19?

[rb4x]

Sam Hayes did his ACL in 2018. Got back on the park sometime in 2019. Would have only played in scrimmages in 2020 as COVID shut down Port Adelaide and Adelaide SAFL teams. Basically a year off so I would think he would be an ideal get. Doubt Port would want to let him go after letting Ryder and Frampton go and now Westhoff retiring.

If we are looking at Hickey it would likely mean that we don't expect Knoll to make the grade as an AFL ruck. Difficult to know where he is at as he has only played a couple of inconsequential scrimmages since coming back from his PCL.

[Auntie.Gerald]

ive had a full acl reco - very happy with the results - it has been 3 years now

pretty sure the stats are just over 15 of every 100 athletes re do their ACL after returning to the sport......big sammyNaismith case in point

so it is significant and especially in a 360 sport

From memory professional sports people were 7 times more likely to sustain ACL injuries in competition than in practice.

[longmile]

So we're quietly confident we can get Paddy McCartin and no-one else is sniffing around?

We have pick 3 in the rookie draft right? Adelaide or North wouldn't make a play for him?

[707]

Hollands ACL recon this last 12months ?

Pre season this year I think

[707]

So we're quietly confident we can get Paddy McCartin and no-one else is sniffing around?

We have pick 3 in the rookie draft right? Adelaide or North wouldn't make a play for him?

Delisted player so we can just add Paddy to the list, doesn't need to come via any draft.

[gloveski]

Delisted player so we can just add Paddy to the list, doesn't need to come via any draft.

Except other clubs are also expressing interest . It will come down to him wanting to stay in Melbourne or play with his brother


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[liz]

Delisted player so we can just add Paddy to the list, doesn't need to come via any draft.

Not sure that’s the case. When was he delisted? It’s true that any player just delisted becomes a FA but I don’t think that applies to previously delisted players.

Edit: Though on reflection, maybe they changed that to allow Mumford to rejoin the Giants after he retired. They change the rules so often to suit particular whims that it's hard to keep track of what exactly the rules are.