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  • Melbourne_Blood
    Senior Player
    • May 2010
    • 3312

    Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
    Could be another Rohan, all the athletic gifts ( except a table) , skill and X factor but not a huge ball winner. Gamble I wouldn’t take.


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    • SwanSand
      Regular in the Side
      • Aug 2020
      • 527

      Originally posted by barry
      pick 3 is not a time for left field picks. Its a time for sensible, level headed picks.
      Sensible picks would miss out on Marcus Bontempelli or Patrick Cripps or Josh kennedy or even Gary Ablett !
      It’s hard to differentiate current talent from upside and potential and hence the recruiters don’t get it right all the time

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        Originally posted by Chilcott
        Haven’t seen many highlights of DGB. Obviously he is an elite KPD for his age. Could he become an elite KPF?
        Yes, elite reader of the ball in the air, think Aaron Naughton U18 CHB now CHF at the Dogs

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        • SwanSand
          Regular in the Side
          • Aug 2020
          • 527

          Originally posted by Chilcott
          Haven’t seen many highlights of DGB. Obviously he is an elite KPD for his age. Could he become an elite KPF?
          KPD with intercept defending is a completely different craft than a KPF. Jacob Weitering struggled in the KPF road when Carlton decided to experiment. Mind you some do well in the role but as a KPF you would get bumped pushed and man handled all the time which is not very easy to deal with. Aaron Naughton has done well since moving forward.
          DGB looks like a good defensive player with good kick and speaks really well.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
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            Gaz has noticeably lacked a table throughout his career

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            • bloodspirit
              Clubman
              • Apr 2015
              • 4448

              Originally posted by Markwebbos
              Gaz has noticeably lacked a table throughout his career
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              • Thunder Shaker
                Aut vincere aut mori
                • Apr 2004
                • 4205

                Originally posted by aardvark
                Just pick someone who hasn't had ACL or groin problems please.
                That rules out Hollands, Thilthorpe and Bruhn.

                Originally posted by barry
                pick 3 is not a time for left field picks. Its a time for sensible, level headed picks.
                That rules out anyone who isn't rated the best six in the draft.

                That leaves JUH (who we will bid on if he's available), DGB, McDonald and Phillips. Because we won't get JUH, that leaves DGB, McDonald and Phillips. I would be happy with any of those three.

                However, we could be in a situation where a player like Perkins becomes this year's version of Serong. I would be OK with that as long as the player we choose is a very good player in his own right. This year's draft is a bit of a lucky dip due to the lack of games played this year by many prospective draftees, especially Victorians.
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                • Auntie.Gerald
                  Veterans List
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6480

                  I just cant help but wonder if we added Will Phillips to the mix at PICK 3.....would we not have a seriously destructive midfield for many years to come ie Parker, Hewett, Kennedy, Rowbottom, Florent, Stephens, Blakey, McInerney Campbell, Gulden.....We appear to have enough talls right now

                  We could be assembling a true "bloods team" that can hunt the ball as good as any team in the comp over many years.

                  As Kennedy and Parker move on on but by bit (Parker 29 and Kennedy 33 in 2021) we would have still a fierce midfield group.

                  It is interesting trying to guess the Hawks PICK 4..............there was reportedly 3 Hawks interviews with W.Phillips !!!

                  See below article on Will Phlilips and Clarko

                  It is arguable that Will Phiillips would certainly be a very nice compliment to the Hawks and necessary for them - T.Mitchell, Worpel, O'Meara, Howe, Scully, T.Phillips, MaGinness Henderson, Shiels, and W. PHILLIPS.


                  Going Places: Why Clarko blew away the best interview in the draft

                  "That Hawthorn interview was like 'Woah'. I came out and said 'That was unbelievable'. To have a conversation with that guy is a privilege because I've been able to see what he can do. I've seen his speeches and how well he speaks and all the great stories he has. I could pick his brain for about five hours straight I reckon, and then continue for another five hours after a break. That was pretty cool. I think he knew I was a Caulfield Grammarian and his daughter is in the same year level as me so we spoke a little bit about that."

                  If Phillips could pick a club to go to, it would be the Hawks, with their base a 20-minute drive from his family home in Warranwood. They have done their work on him, interviewing him multiple times as they hold pick No.4. Gold Coast at pick No.5 also looms as a possible destination, with the Bombers also showing their interest and holding three top-10 picks. Having for some time eyed Carlton as a possible destination, that was ended after the Blues traded their top choice for Adam Saad.

                  Many clubs rate Phillips as the best interview they have done this year, with his parents often sitting in on the chats and also being impressed with their son and learning more about him via the recruiters' questions.
                  "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                  • Melbourne_Blood
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2010
                    • 3312

                    Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                    I just cant help but wonder if we added Will Phillips to the mix at PICK 3.....would we not have a seriously destructive midfield for many years to come ie Parker, Hewett, Kennedy, Rowbottom, Florent, Stephens, Blakey, McInerney Campbell, Gulden.....We appear to have enough talls right now

                    We could be assembling a true "bloods team" that can hunt the ball as good as any team in the comp over many years.

                    As Kennedy and Parker move on on but by bit (Parker 29 and Kennedy 33 in 2021) we would have still a fierce midfield group.

                    It is interesting trying to guess the Hawks PICK 4..............there was reportedly 3 Hawks interviews with W.Phillips !!!

                    See below article on Will Phlilips and Clarko

                    It is arguable that Will Phiillips would certainly be a very nice compliment to the Hawks and necessary for them - T.Mitchell, Worpel, O'Meara, Howe, Scully, T.Phillips, MaGinness Henderson, Shiels, and W. PHILLIPS.


                    Going Places: Why Clarko blew away the best interview in the draft

                    "That Hawthorn interview was like 'Woah'. I came out and said 'That was unbelievable'. To have a conversation with that guy is a privilege because I've been able to see what he can do. I've seen his speeches and how well he speaks and all the great stories he has. I could pick his brain for about five hours straight I reckon, and then continue for another five hours after a break. That was pretty cool. I think he knew I was a Caulfield Grammarian and his daughter is in the same year level as me so we spoke a little bit about that."

                    If Phillips could pick a club to go to, it would be the Hawks, with their base a 20-minute drive from his family home in Warranwood. They have done their work on him, interviewing him multiple times as they hold pick No.4. Gold Coast at pick No.5 also looms as a possible destination, with the Bombers also showing their interest and holding three top-10 picks. Having for some time eyed Carlton as a possible destination, that was ended after the Blues traded their top choice for Adam Saad.

                    Many clubs rate Phillips as the best interview they have done this year, with his parents often sitting in on the chats and also being impressed with their son and learning more about him via the recruiters' questions.
                    I agree, I hope we pick him. Building a gun midfield is the most important part of being a good team. Add Phillips and we can focus next year on finding a KP tall, either through draft or trade ( or FA).


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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      Will Phillips says he'll go anywhere (of course), but would prefer to stay in Victoria. Could be a go home factor in the future, especially if he falls behind some other midfielders, like Campbell and Gulden, and doesn't get the game time he thinks he deserves. If he doesn't play much, or any, in the first year, he would miss out on $4000 a game match fee. It's a big disadvantage for a young midfielder to come to the Swans, because they are likely to miss out on a lot of money early on, which they might want to make up for with bigger contract demands afterwards.

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                      • bloodspirit
                        Clubman
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 4448

                        I don't see us selecting Phillips at #3. Assuming we take DGB at #3 (because Logan McDonald off the board), and then Hawthorn take Phillips, I'd still be interested in trading 2021 first rounder for whichever of Hollands or Thilthorpe is leftover. I think Gold Coast will probably want Thilthorpe if he's available. More likely than not, it's not a trade they'll do - but we shall see.

                        In other news, for those of us who have been ruminating over picking up Jackson Trengove as a DFA - we can stop. He has retired: https://www.zerohanger.com/former-port-and-bulldogs-defender-announces-retirement-afl-trengove-71290/.
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                        • Markwebbos
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                          I agree, I hope we pick him. Building a gun midfield is the most important part of being a good team. Add Phillips and we can focus next year on finding a KP tall, either through draft or trade ( or FA).
                          My understanding is that this year is the draft for top quality talls and 2021 for midfielders, if we are going to get them via the draft. But they take time.
                          We might have more $ available to trade one in next year.

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                          • S.S. Bleeder
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2165

                            Originally posted by Chilcott
                            Haven’t seen many highlights of DGB. Obviously he is an elite KPD for his age. Could he become an elite KPF?
                            DGB seems like a natural defender and he loves playing in that position. I'd be more inclined to move McCartin back to the forward line.

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                            • waswan
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2015
                              • 2047

                              Originally posted by aardvark
                              Just pick someone who hasn't had ACL or groin problems please.
                              +1
                              Jake Lever was a steal at pick 15 ish after comimg off a knee injury......until of course he got a massive pay packet then did his knee.....

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                              • Ralph Dawg
                                Senior Player
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 1729

                                On the swans FB page, KB has indicated that he will consider redrafting Zac Foot as a rookie (see the review of the 2018 draft).

                                I hope he gets a second chance. The boy made it to the AFL despite a tough upbringing and looks to be a whole hearted player with a bit of zip and talent as well.

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