Round 13: Dockers v Swans

**Ralph Dawg** · 23 August 2020, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by caj23

Not much to take out of that game, loss was to be expected given the team on paper. At least we’re heading for a high draft pick.

Longmire’s continuing misuse of Allir is frustrating. He’s capable of being an AA level intercept defender, particularly when he’s given a consistent run. Instead he’s played forward, ruck or not at all. Criminal that he wasn’t selected last night

I can only imagine he wasn't fit.

**Markwebbos** · 23 August 2020, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Ralph Dawg

I can only imagine he wasn't fit.

Named as an emergency

**AB Swannie** · 23 August 2020, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by caj23

Not much to take out of that game, loss was to be expected given the team on paper. At least we’re heading for a high draft pick.

Longmire’s continuing misuse of Allir is frustrating. He’s capable of being an AA level intercept defender, particularly when he’s given a consistent run. Instead he’s played forward, ruck or not at all. Criminal that he wasn’t selected last night

I personally think Aliir is overrated on here. I like him and think he should be in the team but he is a fringe best 22 rather than a potential AA defender. He is not good enough to play on a power forward as a key defender and when compared to other good intercept defenders he is too inconsistent with both his marking and kicking to play as the loose. At times he is fantastic but then he will drop a sitter. His kicking is also slow and often short. I know people will argue that he hasn't been given time to develop as this defender and has been thrown around to different positions too much which may be somewhat true but overall I think that has been because he has never been as valuable in defence as we had hoped.

Nick Haynes, Jeremy McGovern, Luke Ryan, Jordan Ridley, Tom Stewart, Nick Vlastuin, Jeremy Howe, James Sicily. I've probably missed a few but these are guys who would be well ahead of Aliir in skill level in both marking and kicking and so I can't see him ever overtaking these intercepters to be in AA contention whether he is given time to develop there or not.

**MattW** · 23 August 2020, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by AB Swannie

I personally think Aliir is overrated on here. I like him and think he should be in the team but he is a fringe best 22 rather than a potential AA defender. He is not good enough to play on a power forward as a key defender and when compared to other good intercept defenders he is too inconsistent with both his marking and kicking to play as the loose. At times he is fantastic but then he will drop a sitter. His kicking is also slow and often short. I know people will argue that he hasn't been given time to develop as this defender and has been thrown around to different positions too much which may be somewhat true but overall I think that has been because he has never been as valuable in defence as we had hoped.

Nick Haynes, Jeremy McGovern, Luke Ryan, Jordan Ridley, Tom Stewart, Nick Vlastuin, Jeremy Howe, James Sicily. I've probably missed a few but these are guys who would be well ahead of Aliir in skill level in both marking and kicking and so I can't see him ever overtaking these intercepters to be in AA contention whether he is given time to develop there or not.

We have not got the most out of Aliir.

I'm in the camp you refer to of the view that he hasn't been given enough chance to develop as a defender. I think his selection in different positions has been as much related to the dearth of ruck options and talls.

His confidence appears low and I reckon that may be because he feels his position in the team is always in question. That's certainly how I feel. Low confidence in turn produces poor performance. I'd like to see some faith invested in him for the rest of the year.

**111431** · 23 August 2020, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by AB Swannie

I personally think Aliir is overrated on here. I like him and think he should be in the team but he is a fringe best 22 rather than a potential AA defender. He is not good enough to play on a power forward as a key defender and when compared to other good intercept defenders he is too inconsistent with both his marking and kicking to play as the loose. At times he is fantastic but then he will drop a sitter. His kicking is also slow and often short. I know people will argue that he hasn't been given time to develop as this defender and has been thrown around to different positions too much which may be somewhat true but overall I think that has been because he has never been as valuable in defence as we had hoped.

Nick Haynes, Jeremy McGovern, Luke Ryan, Jordan Ridley, Tom Stewart, Nick Vlastuin, Jeremy Howe, James Sicily. I've probably missed a few but these are guys who would be well ahead of Aliir in skill level in both marking and kicking and so I can't see him ever overtaking these intercepters to be in AA contention whether he is given time to develop there or not.

Fully agree

**stevoswan** · 23 August 2020, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by crackedactor 01

If something is too good to be true, we witness that yesterday. The GWS game was a game where the opposition was very poor, it was never us being very good. The inability of just about anyone to win a 50/50 contest was disturbing. Bring on position 17th, and maybe we can recruit one or two decent players next year.

Hardly heard from you last week after our great win but yet your back this week after a loss to declare that we did not play 'very good' last week......mmmmmm.

**TheBloods** · 23 August 2020, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by lwjoyner

not one player deserved any accolades tonight except perhaps for cuningham. Rowbottome didnt get into the game until the last qrt. A disgraceful effort after last week. Also on coomentatorsa amazing how dunstall changes his tune.

Have you considered maybe the players might have simply ran out of gas after last week?

**KTigers** · 23 August 2020, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by MattW

We have not got the most out of Aliir.

I'm in the camp you refer to of the view that he hasn't been given enough chance to develop as a defender. I think his selection in different positions has been as much related to the dearth of ruck options and talls.

His confidence appears low and I reckon that may be because he feels his position in the team is always in question. That's certainly how I feel. Low confidence in turn produces poor performance. I'd like to see some faith invested in him for the rest of the year.

Just because he may feel his position is always in question doesn't mean it is. He is worth his place in the team because he is in the
top 6 defenders we have at the moment. He is actually a fairly experienced footy player these days. Sure, he is not Nick Haynes and
will never be. But he's not alone in that category. Hopefully he can himself into a very good "average" player.

**Aprilbr** · 23 August 2020, 01:55 PM

I thought that last night was a wake up call for all of us. We are still well behind most teams. There were a few positives such as the improved form of Blakey and Fox and the promise of others like Rowbottom and Dawson. Other than that, most of the team struggled to have an impact and we did not give our forwards much chance with poor delivery. Our selection error of no key defender to replace Rampe exposed us and if Lobb had been holding his marks early we could have ended up being very embarrassed by that. Still, we are blooding a lot of youngsters at present and some of these will make it.

"It is always the darkest just before the light."

**Ralph Dawg** · 23 August 2020, 02:32 PM

Mundy was carving us up. We should've tagged him.

**stevoswan** · 23 August 2020, 02:44 PM

Round 13: Dockers v Swans

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