2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[i'm-uninformed2]

I said earlier that I think we need another quality small forward.

If David Teague doesn’t coach on at Carlton, would we go for an Eddie Betts for one season to hopefully ad that bit of class in a potential serious premiership bid.

He’s a free agent.

Eddie would need to have his body in its best possible condition and he is a great bloke.

The SCG crowd would love him and you can see some party tricks between Eddie, Franklin, Heeney and Papley.

Would be entertaining and he would be better even at his age than Sam Wicks.

No. Loved watching Eddie and love Eddie as a role model but the fact he’s still in Carlton’s top 10 players is an indictment on them, not a tick for him. Plus, his defensive work is close to zero these days. And let’s be honest here: our window is a five to seven year one. Nabbing a player for one year of a few party tricks every few weeks ain’t consistent with the goal of building a premiership contender from now till the end of the decade.

Don’t mind the idea of another quality small, but get one for the long haul.

[Blood Fever]

I said earlier that I think we need another quality small forward.

If David Teague doesn’t coach on at Carlton, would we go for an Eddie Betts for one season to hopefully ad that bit of class in a potential serious premiership bid.

He’s a free agent.

Eddie would need to have his body in its best possible condition and he is a great bloke.

The SCG crowd would love him and you can see some party tricks between Eddie, Franklin, Heeney and Papley.

Would be entertaining and he would be better even at his age than Sam Wicks.

Absurd

[AB Swannie]

Absurd

Agree. ????

[Ludwig]

What we need in an ideal world is:

- 1 experienced ruckman to help Hickey
- 1 good small forward to help Papley
- 1 good bigger bodied key defender to help McCartin and Rampe.

• Hickey doesn't need help, only a replacement if injured. We're not going to play 2 ruckmen, unless 1 is also a good forward (Paddy Ryder type). His current replacement is Sinclair.
• We have so many small forwards, we could send a few on vacation and still be overstocked. We have one of the best in the game in Papley, another in Hayward, who is developing into one of the best in the game, a solid defensive forward in Wicks, and a whole bunch of midfielders who probably won't have spots in our crowed midfield once Warner and Rowbottom are back, i.e., Gulden, Campbell and Stephens. We also need rotation spots for midfielders, including Heeney (who could play as a small forward as well), Parker and Mills.
• Melican is that KPD we need to help McCartin, if he's ever fit and ready to play. We might sign Paddy McCartin to help. We also have BOC, who might have something to offer if he can get more games into him. But yes, the KPD spot is the one we most need to address in the off season.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Helen Housby - NSW Swifts

Barry and Helen look very happy together in Sydney

I wonder if we see the potential in Barry to bit by bit develop over time as. Key Defender ?

[Faunac8]

When you are able to find the ball like Jmac does you dont need to tackle , Dusty has never laid a decent tackle in his career ! He gets to the right places . Different players on different levels but Jmac gets to the right places , hes an attacking player and knows how to work into space to get the ball . Works his arse off doing so as well

If you ever watch him play you would know that while he is not a tackling machine , which given his importance as a playmaker makes sense, he averages 3 a game or so and with his RL background when he does stick a tackle you generally know the recipient feels it.
He has made some real bone rattlers over the years so your comment as is often the case can be taken with a grain of salt.

[TheBloods]

If you ever watch him play you would know that while he is not a tackling machine , which given his importance as a playmaker makes sense, he averages 3 a game or so and with his RL background when he does stick a tackle you generally know the recipient feels it.
He has made some real bone rattlers over the years so your comment as is often the case can be taken with a grain of salt.

Thanks for your feedback , i wasnt talking literally ! But i cant win with you so all good

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I don't see any need to recruit midfielders from other clubs. We have a plethora of players that rotate through there. We just have to break even on the centre clearances.

Interesting stat for what it is worth: Up until Round 12 we had won the centre clearance count 7 times. That was Chad Warner's last game. Since then we have won the count twice, PA and GWS.

We got an absolute towelling by the Dogs and Injectors, yet still won. It is one area we can increase time % in our forward half and give our forwards more scoring opportunities. I suspect yesterday's count included 2 kicks by Mills that went straight up in the air. We have to improve our clean clearances a lot.

Telling stat

[Ruck'n'Roll]

[LIST][*]Hickey doesn't need help, only a replacement if injured. We're not going to play 2 ruckmen, unless 1 is also a good forward (Paddy Ryder type). His current replacement is Sinclair.

So how good a forward do you think a ruckman should be in order to be a plausible addition to the 22?

Paddy's contribution has been 0.7 of a goal per game (2 goals every 3 games) across the whole of his career.
David Hale managed almost a goal per hgame acoss his career.
Flynn at GWS is at 0.7 for the year, Tim English is kicking better than a goal a game this year.

Or should we be thinking in terms of goals per ruck partenrship?

[The Runner]

Just reported on On the Couch - there's a big gap between what Parker wants and what he's being offered. And Stephens is actively looking for opportunities elsewhere.

It would be a shame to see Parker go. And we wouldn't be well compensated - you'd assume a first round pick, but that's going to around 15.

And for Stephens, I think Jye Caldwell is a good comparison of what we'd get. Effectively a 2nd round pick - which is a terrible return if that was to be the case.

[bennyfabulous]

I think we are lacking 3 types of players & and if we can obtain them i think we would be pretty hard to beat for years to come.

Someone mentioned Jack Macrae I’d love us to get someone like him (we cant afford him, nor could we give enough to the WB).

I reckon the 30 plus running accumulator is something that we are really missing. Macrae, Gaff, Merrett, Josh Kelly style. Im hopeful that we have one or two already in our midst (stephens/jmac) but i reckon if we can get someone cheap or at decent value we should jump at it!

Eddie Betts wouldnt be my first pick as a small forward but geez he can be electric & id be willing to watch him & Paps work together for 1 or 2 years. (another thread referenced how we are setting up and i reckon its with 2 small goal kicking fwds, not particularly focused on pressure)

And lastly a KPD. We need a Gorilla & i hope Paddy McCartin can be that man.

So excited for end of 2021 & 2022 and beyond!!!

[bennyfabulous]

Just reported on On the Couch - there's a big gap between what Parker wants and what he's being offered. And Stephens is actively looking for opportunities elsewhere.

It would be a shame to see Parker go. And we wouldn't be well compensated - you'd assume a first round pick, but that's going to around 15.

And for Stephens, I think Jye Caldwell is a good comparison of what we'd get. Effectively a 2nd round pick - which is a terrible return if that was to be the case.

Just heard that too. I wouldnt be to concerned as Tom Morris is going @ about 4% correct in his trade predictions!

[MattW]

Just reported on On the Couch - there's a big gap between what Parker wants and what he's being offered. And Stephens is actively looking for opportunities elsewhere.

It would be a shame to see Parker go. And we wouldn't be well compensated - you'd assume a first round pick, but that's going to around 15.

And for Stephens, I think Jye Caldwell is a good comparison of what we'd get. Effectively a 2nd round pick - which is a terrible return if that was to be the case.

Hmmmmmmm.

Luke Parker certainly isn't playing like he's distracted by that. It's hard to imagine that we won't find a way to pay him.

As for Stephens - he doesn't really seem to have settled into the playing group. That draft is looking on the busty side, excepting Warner.

[Kafka's Ghost]

Just reported on On the Couch - there's a big gap between what Parker wants and what he's being offered. And Stephens is actively looking for opportunities elsewhere.

It would be a shame to see Parker go. And we wouldn't be well compensated - you'd assume a first round pick, but that's going to around 15.

And for Stephens, I think Jye Caldwell is a good comparison of what we'd get. Effectively a 2nd round pick - which is a terrible return if that was to be the case.

This is pure speculation on the part of this journalist. His last comment was “no one knows what the salary cap will be”, which is likely the true issue. With Parker there may be a difference in length of contract, but I can’t see the club letting him go, or him leaving just as we open another Premiership window. Gerard Healy’s advice to Adam Cerra is equally applicable to all our players too.

[mcs]

This is pure speculation on the part of this journalist. His last comment was “no one knows what the salary cap will be”, which is likely the true issue. With Parker there may be a difference in length of contract, but I can’t see the club letting him go, or him leaving just as we open another Premiership window. Gerard Healy’s advice to Adam Cerra is equally applicable to all our players too.

Partker would surely only leave if another team right at the top came in for him. He and his Mrs seem very settled in Sydney, and I'd be pretty suprised if he went anywhere.

Would not be suprised to see Stephens leave, and think he will make a good AFL player. But a bit of patience on his part would not be a bad thing either.