Swans vs GWS - elimination final

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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16778

    Originally posted by bloodspirit
    I don't think we get to pick all the match ups. Typically it is the defending team that picks the match ups - no? So Taylor is more likely to be deciding he'll match up on Buddy than the other way around. Otherwise I'd advocate that we keep Taylor's hands full with McLean.
    So long as he didn’t tire himself out too much last week, I expect to see Buddy playing up the ground a lot more than normal, at least to start the game. Get Taylor out of his comfort zone, or get the Giants to find an alternative match up for Buddy. Taylor has the short-distance speed to go with Buddy but does he have the endurance and nous to play him across half forward? And how would removing Taylor’s intercepting skill affect the Giants’ defensive structure?

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    • KTigers
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2012
      • 2499

      Originally posted by 707
      With no travel from Covid states, I wonder what the make up of the crowd will be? A lot of Hawks supporters in Launceston who will barrack for GWS :-(
      My guess : neutral (50%), Swans (40%), Giants (10%). The place can actually hold almost 20,000, and there have been crowds there
      that big. All the games there this year have been just shy of 10,000, so I suppose they are doing the 50% capacity thing. We've played
      there once before, and the Giants twice, and neither team have played there since 2017.

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      • tasswan
        Warming the Bench
        • Aug 2006
        • 334

        Originally posted by 707
        With no travel from Covid states, I wonder what the make up of the crowd will be? A lot of Hawks supporters in Launceston who will barrack for GWS :-(
        Having been at the last Swans game at the venue against the Hawks that had a large Swans fans attendance, I predict that there will be 70% Swans 20% Neutral, 10% GWS

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        • Hotpotato
          Senior Player
          • Jun 2014
          • 2272

          They asked Dane what he would be telling the youngsters (who have never played finals) what to expect .
          Instead of saying that the intensity goes up several notches and it’s so much harder , he simply said he’d be telling them ‘it’s just a privilege to to play finals ‘
          That was pretty savvy .

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          • waswan
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2015
            • 2047

            Personally dont think their should be any concern about Mummy.

            Hickey is a bigger concern for them and Mummys ability to go with him.

            No one taking the field Saturday at AFL level has fear of an opponent, this isnt under 10s.

            Our big concern for GWS is their midfield depth for all its high end talent.

            Rate our game style but if we cant match it in the middle we have seen how little game plan matters.

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            • bloodspirit
              Clubman
              • Apr 2015
              • 4448

              Originally posted by waswan
              Personally dont think their should be any concern about Mummy.

              Hickey is a bigger concern for them and Mummys ability to go with him.

              No one taking the field Saturday at AFL level has fear of an opponent, this isnt under 10s.

              Our big concern for GWS is their midfield depth for all its high end talent.

              Rate our game style but if we cant match it in the middle we have seen how little game plan matters.

              I agree about Mummy not being our biggest concern but not that we absolutely match it with them in the middle. We can neuter a disadvantage in contested possessions with better pressure. They cancel each other out to some degree. So our game plan based on pressure can prevail over superiority out of the centre if we do our bit better than they do their bit. AND PROVIDED we bring the PRESSURE!
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              • 111431
                Regular in the Side
                • Sep 2010
                • 698

                Originally posted by bloodspirit
                I agree about Mummy not being our biggest concern but not that we absolutely match it with them in the middle. We can neuter a disadvantage in contested possessions with better pressure. They cancel each other out to some degree. So our game plan based on pressure can prevail over superiority out of the centre if we do our bit better than they do their bit. AND PROVIDED we bring the PRESSURE!
                we won more games (by a margin although with an easier draw) than them during the season because of the way we play. Don't underestimate our talent and game plan. I agree re the importance of bringing the pressure and we consistently do that. I think our young guys will take Ramp's advice on board and go out and be themselves and not be intimidated by the GWS

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                • KSAS
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 1794

                  Originally posted by Hotpotato
                  They asked Dane what he would be telling the youngsters (who have never played finals) what to expect .
                  Instead of saying that the intensity goes up several notches and it’s so much harder , he simply said he’d be telling them ‘it’s just a privilege to to play finals ‘
                  That was pretty savvy .
                  +1 He also added it's a privilege to handle the pressure that comes with it. Same with us supporters!!!

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                  • Markwebbos
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 7186

                    +1 I posted some stats on another thread. We can lose clearances and CP and still win provided we out pressure and out spread our opponent.

                    The Saints defeat was one where we won on the inside but were beaten comprehensively outside the contest. Generally it’s the other way round.

                    Still think it would be good to break even inside if we can.

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                    • Aprilbr
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 1803

                      I am strongly of the belief that we cannot play anyone in the finals who is not good to go. It will hurt us. The Club would need to be very confident that Mills and Kennedy can play out the game and perform at a high level to let them play the game. Should either play and break down during the game it would be an absolute disaster. We have other fully fit players in the wings. They may not be as good as those two but they are fit and raring to go. Play them if in doubt.

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                      • barracuda
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 551

                        I think Don Pyke is huge for this game. No doubt he is setting the strategy and assigning roles. Provided our players execute at the intensity required then I think we will be ok. I see his confirmation that he likes the swans and is staying as a very positive thing. Having said all that I reckon if a swans player gets a chance to crunch Mumfords lower back (legally) then they should take it.

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                        • gloveski
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 1018

                          Originally posted by Aprilbr
                          I am strongly of the belief that we cannot play anyone in the finals who is not good to go. It will hurt us. The Club would need to be very confident that Mills and Kennedy can play out the game and perform at a high level to let them play the game. Should either play and break down during the game it would be an absolute disaster. We have other fully fit players in the wings. They may not be as good as those two but they are fit and raring to go. Play them if in doubt.
                          Normally I would agree with this but those that have been playing in the reserves scratch matches are not going to be match fit either. Hearing some of the scratch matches were like 12 minute qtrs. I think they will roll the dice on Mills if he feels ok during the warm up . Kennedy they will give another week .
                          Can’t see us taking the risk on both .
                          Going to be a real balancing act


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                          • longmile
                            Crumber
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 3367

                            Is this the same ground that Buddy kicked 13 on? Maybe he can get to the 1000 this week

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              Originally posted by longmile
                              Is this the same ground that Buddy kicked 13 on? Maybe he can get to the 1000 this week
                              I'd prefer it if he waits until next year when he can do it in front of a crowd of Swans and footy fans. Surely that's got to be better for him too?
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                              • Matty10
                                Senior Player
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 1331

                                Originally posted by bloodspirit
                                I'd prefer it if he waits until next year when he can do it in front of a crowd of Swans and footy fans. Surely that's got to be better for him too?
                                I’m okay with that if he plays a high half-forward role, with 15-20 odd possessions, high score involvements, and then averages just under 2 goals a game. However, I don’t think it would be desirable for anyone (other than the opposition) if he averaged under 2 goals a game playing at full forward.

                                Even though the games won’t be played in front of fans from NSW or Victoria, there will still be fans. I suppose what I’m saying is that I’d be pretty happy either way provided we kept on winning.

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