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  • barry
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 8499

    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
    A couple of things. While I haven't faced a replay yet, watching live, I thought that Greene elbowing McInerney in the head, was worth a week or at least a hefty fine. But with all the publicity over the Stevic incident, that seems to have slipped through to the keeper. And I'm not sure of the rules, but since Greene committed a reportable offence during the three quarter time break, should the fourth quarter have opened, with a free kick to us out of the square?
    Clutching at straws a bit there. We lost it because we kicked 5 straight points from fairly easy shots in the last quarter. Its a completely self-inflicted wound. No need to complain about the umpiring. Essendon can complain about the umpiring. I looked at all Cody Weightmans goals from free's and I dont think any of them were clear free kicks.

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      Originally posted by Agent 86

      I’m still filthy at how we let this game slip and how so many things went wrong. There had been so much hard work and struggle under very difficult circumstances to get to this point & we really should have nailed it.

      I don’t put the blame on any player - but more in the way we approached the game (& the previous few weeks included) , the selections, the game day strategy, the inability to adapt quickly enough, the lack of composure when we needed it (& I don’t mean the missed goals - I blame the coaching panel more than anyone here). We choked (as a club) & I’m gutted for the players themselves more than anything.
      Absolutely. And while some are singling out lower players on little money like Bell... we pay one bloke $1.5m a year to kick critical goals and win finals, and he went missing in the second half and failed to nail a shot in the last quarter to win the game. Blame should be apportioned based on contract value in my opinion. With big bucks comes big responsibility. He gets away with a lot due to his reputation.

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      • Agent 86
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2004
        • 1690

        Originally posted by barry
        Clutching at straws a bit there. We lost it because we kicked 5 straight points from fairly easy shots in the last quarter. Its a completely self-inflicted wound. No need to complain about the umpiring. Essendon can complain about the umpiring. I looked at all Cody Weightmans goals from free's and I dont think any of them were clear free kicks.
        Umps seem to like the doggies in finals. At one time (yesterday) the free kick differential looked very similar to another game I can remember. Dogs were better team yesterday, however.

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        • barry
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          Originally posted by Agent 86
          Umps seem to like the doggies in finals. At one time (yesterday) the free kick differential looked very similar to another game I can remember. Dogs were better team yesterday, however.
          In the end yes, but Cody got most of his gift goals when the game was in the balance. Either keeping the dogs in it, or when they pulled away. A free kick inside 50 is an extremely valuable contributer to momentum.

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          • dejavoodoo44
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2015
            • 8661

            Originally posted by barry
            Clutching at straws a bit there. We lost it because we kicked 5 straight points from fairly easy shots in the last quarter. Its a completely self-inflicted wound. No need to complain about the umpiring. Essendon can complain about the umpiring. I looked at all Cody Weightmans goals from free's and I dont think any of them were clear free kicks.
            I'm not claiming that we would've won, if only we were paid a free to start the final quarter. I was just wondering if we should have been paid a free? And overall, I thought the umpiring was a fair bit better than I was expecting, with Stevic and Nicholls kindly sent our way by the AFL.

            Although I did think it was grimly ironic, that the gamed ended with the ball in the hands of Greene, after Stevic gave him a free, after what was at best, an incidental head clash involving two players going for the ball.

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            Originally posted by barry
            In the end yes, but Cody got most of his gift goals when the game was in the balance. Either keeping the dogs in it, or when they pulled away. A free kick inside 50 is an extremely valuable contributer to momentum.
            Yes, definite momentum killers.

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            • mcs
              Travelling Swannie!!
              • Jul 2007
              • 8168

              Originally posted by Agent 86
              Umps seem to like the doggies in finals. At one time (yesterday) the free kick differential looked very similar to another game I can remember. Dogs were better team yesterday, however.
              Not limited to just finals. Been the darlings of the umpires for years now, both regular season and in finals.
              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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              • Agent 86
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2004
                • 1690

                Originally posted by barry
                In the end yes, but Cody got most of his gift goals when the game was in the balance. Either keeping the dogs in it, or when they pulled away. A free kick inside 50 is an extremely valuable contributer to momentum.
                Totally agree. Hence the comment about the free count. When & where the frees are paid is critical. Dons got a few in junk time.

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                • i'm-uninformed2
                  Reefer Madness
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4653

                  Originally posted by barry
                  In the end yes, but Cody got most of his gift goals when the game was in the balance. Either keeping the dogs in it, or when they pulled away. A free kick inside 50 is an extremely valuable contributer to momentum.
                  How you'll know if the AFL is serious or not? The second one, when he simply fell over the boundary line, was such a bad decision. The umpire clearly guessed at what happened, which is cardinal sin in itself. You can forgive the occasional missed decision given the blur of play and angles sometimes leaves them blind-sided. But you'd rather that than have them guess, or get it plain wrong.

                  If that umpire gets another game this finals series, the whole system is a joke.
                  'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                  • longmile
                    Crumber
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 3367

                    Woulda, shoulda, coulda won. Can't stop thinking about the last 10 minutes. Poor Swans must be hurting so much.

                    To exceed everyone's expectations all year and then go down in that manner was a very bittersweet ending to a good year.

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      Originally posted by longmile
                      Woulda, shoulda, coulda won. Can't stop thinking about the last 10 minutes. Poor Swans must be hurting so much.

                      To exceed everyone's expectations all year and then go down in that manner was a very bittersweet ending to a good year.
                      +1 I don’t get the criticism of coaches, MC on here. Even if Bell was the wrong choice, we played without 3 key players and should have won if we kicked any one of the 6 consecutive behinds in the last quarter.

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                      • Jimitron5000
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 455

                        That was immensely disappointing. Any number of things during the game could have changed the result, so singling out players is unfair. That said, I think if Wicks had kicked a goal rather than hitting the post we would have run away with it.
                        As an aside, I am reading Brandon Jack's book. It is evident that how the football club values performances is quite different to the usual, readily available statistics. So we might see someone having five kicks and a couple of handballs as a dreadful game, but they may have contributed a number of pressure acts, responded quickly to how the game moves and in general made life more difficult for the opposition.

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                        • longmile
                          Crumber
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3367

                          Originally posted by Markwebbos
                          +1 I don’t get the criticism of coaches, MC on here. Even if Bell was the wrong choice, we played without 3 key players and should have won if we kicked any one of the 6 consecutive behinds in the last quarter.
                          Don't get me wrong, I thought it was pretty bad team selection too! But also it was the Giant's best team all year and we still should've won

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                          • Markwebbos
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                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            Originally posted by longmile
                            Don't get me wrong, I thought it was pretty bad team selection too! But also it was the Giant's best team all year and we still should've won
                            Yes, which is what makes it so painful.

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                            • Ruck'n'Roll
                              Ego alta, ergo ictus
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 3990

                              Originally posted by barry
                              Absolutely. And while some are singling out lower players on little money like Bell... we pay one bloke $1.5m a year to kick critical goals and win finals, and he went missing in the second half and failed to nail a shot in the last quarter to win the game. Blame should be apportioned based on contract value in my opinion. With big bucks comes big responsibility. He gets away with a lot due to his reputation.
                              So you'd like to be the first speaker for the negative, when it come time to debate/evaluate Buddy's career?

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                              • caj23
                                Senior Player
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 2462

                                Originally posted by barry
                                Absolutely. And while some are singling out lower players on little money like Bell... we pay one bloke $1.5m a year to kick critical goals and win finals, and he went missing in the second half and failed to nail a shot in the last quarter to win the game. Blame should be apportioned based on contract value in my opinion. With big bucks comes big responsibility. He gets away with a lot due to his reputation.
                                Are you serious? Buddy has had an amazing season and the kick from 50 was hardly a gimme.

                                I won't comment any further on Bell's selection or performance on the day and season because it's already been done, but the size of his pay cheque doesn't make him immune from criticism

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