BBBH

[Goal Sneak]

We can look at it this way.

How many young Swans did Barry protect in his Swans career? If you were a young LRT or McVeigh you would have felt safer being on that field with Barry alongside you. Opposition players most probably left our young players alone because they didn’t want to risk the wrath of Barry?

Barry’s very presence gave our young guys and team confidence.

Would Carlton in 2017 have physicaly gone after a young Mills at the MCG if Barry was close by?

How many parents of young Swans players felt better knowing that Barry was their to protect their sons?

He was an amazing player and his influence on the Swans during his time was unparalleled.

It’s sad that many fans have taken the Paul Roos position of how Barry let the the team down.

I’m glad that Barry finished his career well under Rodney Eade at the Bulldogs. He said after retirement in 2011 that he saw himself as a Bulldog despite being a Saint and a Swan.

It’s good that the Swans and Barry are coming back together now.

Imagine being a young Swan back then, having certain traits and characteristics being drilled into you and told it's non-negotiable, you either get on board or you don't make it. Then, on the other hand, you have one of the most damaging forwards in the modern era blatantly and continually disrespecting those same ideals.
The easy thing to do would be to sit back and say nothing, but that contradicts what is being taught. What shows real character is standing up for the culture regardless of who is in question.

If it's 100% all in or nothing, then there can be no exceptions. Exceptions will erode a culture faster than a swinging left hook from BBBH.

What I find odd about your stance on Barry is you have banged on and on about how Papley is/was disrespectful to the umpires and needed to be brought into line. How can you be so blinkered when discussing Barry Hall, one of the most undisciplined players in his time?

[Bloods05]

Imagine being a young Swan back then, having certain traits and characteristics being drilled into you and told it's non-negotiable, you either get on board or you don't make it. Then, on the other hand, you have one of the most damaging forwards in the modern era blatantly and continually disrespecting those same ideals.
The easy thing to do would be to sit back and say nothing, but that contradicts what is being taught. What shows real character is standing up for the culture regardless of who is in question.

If it's 100% all in or nothing, then there can be no exceptions. Exceptions will erode a culture faster than a swinging left hook from BBBH.

What I find odd about your stance on Barry is you have banged on and on about how Papley is/was disrespectful to the umpires and needed to be brought into line. How can you be so blinkered when discussing Barry Hall, one of the most undisciplined players in his time?

When you are merely trying to provoke people, the rules of logic don't apply.

[TheBloods]

Well done all for taking the bait by BS . if Chad or Corey warner had gone up to Barry and told him to pull his head in , BS would be on hand ready to give them the Cross of Valour !

Dont bother with it

[Mark26]

Well done all for taking the bait by BS . if Chad or Corey warner had gone up to Barry and told him to pull his head in , BS would be on hand ready to give them the Cross of Valour !

Dont bother with it

Good to hear that you're on the mend from COVID TB.

On the BH subject, I recall him saying that he absolutely regrets throwing that punch as Staker shouldn't have to live with being remembered for that incident.

He also hated the Big Bad prefix as he felt typecast. I'm paraphrasing of course and can't recall the sources, whether they were from a book or interview.

Regardless, it was great to see the footage of him at our club. I hope that relationship and his involvement grows.

[Bangalore Swans]

Well done all for taking the bait by BS . if Chad or Corey warner had gone up to Barry and told him to pull his head in , BS would be on hand ready to give them the Cross of Valour !

Dont bother with it

I would hope that Corey and Chad were respecting the senior players particularly Franklin, Hickey, Rampe, Kennedy and Parker. These guys can get feedback from each other and not young players. It’s called respect.

On a personal note, I stuck up for you a lot last year when you were being attacked for having your opinions.

I’ll let you now face your ditractors head on without sticking up for you.

[Bloods05]

I would hope that Corey and Chad were respecting the senior players particularly Franklin, Hickey, Rampe, Kennedy and Parker. These guys can get feedback from each other and not young players. It’s called respect.

On a personal note, I stuck up for you a lot last year when you were being attacked for having your opinions.

I’ll let you now face your ditractors head on without sticking up for you.

Well that's a relief. And I'll bet it is for you too TB.

[Bangalore Swans]

Imagine being a young Swan back then, having certain traits and characteristics being drilled into you and told it's non-negotiable, you either get on board or you don't make it. Then, on the other hand, you have one of the most damaging forwards in the modern era blatantly and continually disrespecting those same ideals.
The easy thing to do would be to sit back and say nothing, but that contradicts what is being taught. What shows real character is standing up for the culture regardless of who is in question.

If it's 100% all in or nothing, then there can be no exceptions. Exceptions will erode a culture faster than a swinging left hook from BBBH.

What I find odd about your stance on Barry is you have banged on and on about how Papley is/was disrespectful to the umpires and needed to be brought into line. How can you be so blinkered when discussing Barry Hall, one of the most undisciplined players in his time?

Your comparison with Papley is a good one and you have very correctly called out my hypocrisy.

[0918330512]

On a personal note, I stuck up for you a lot last year when you were being attacked for having your opinions.

????????????

I’ll let you now face your ditractors head on without sticking up for you.

Isn’t TB a veteran of 7 odd decades worth of revolving around the sun? He’s lucky to have had your support thus far. But a birds gotta leave the nest some time.

[TheBloods]

I would hope that Corey and Chad were respecting the senior players particularly Franklin, Hickey, Rampe, Kennedy and Parker. These guys can get feedback from each other and not young players. It’s called respect.

On a personal note, I stuck up for you a lot last year when you were being attacked for having your opinions.

I’ll let you now face your ditractors head on without sticking up for you.

You dont need to take it so personally , you were wrong on this one and admitted it yourself . But no worries , thank you for support but wasnt asked for . Being made out to be an oracle for every opinion i share is as bad as being attacked for them .

[stevoswan]

Well, what an interesting outcome. I feel we've all come a full circle (two of you anyway) and can now hopefully reset (or maybe just close this thread).

[Bangalore Swans]

Well, what an interesting outcome. I feel we've all come a full circle (two of you anyway) and can now hopefully reset (or maybe just close this thread).

Don’t close this thread. It’s a debate generator.

I will sum up BBBBH in the following points:

- I acknowledge that Barry like Tom Papley have moments of indiscipline where their on-field behaviour can give away free kicks and 50m penalties. Can people recall how many umpire abuse free kicks that Barry gave away. Papley gave away three umpire abuse free kicks in 2021 (I know because I ranted about each one). What’s fair for Papley has to be fair for Barry.

- I don’t back away from my view that young players shouldn’t be delivering negative feedback to Premiership Captain’s in group environments. As Barry said in the Mike Sheehan interview “the young player was trying to look like a leader”. Leadership is more than trying to look like a leader and I hope the young player whom Barry referred too (without naming) improved his leadership.

In my opinion, the only instance where a young player can provide feedback to an older champion is when that young player is in the leadership group.

- Barry was a champion, and the club walked taller on his shoulders. Despite Adam Goodes 2003 and 2006 Brownlow, Barry was the most important player during the 2003 - 2006 glory run.

[Bloods05]

Don’t close this thread. It’s a debate generator.

I will sum up BBBBH in the following points:

- I acknowledge that Barry like Tom Papley have moments of indiscipline where their on-field behaviour can give away free kicks and 50m penalties. Can people recall how many umpire abuse free kicks that Barry gave away. Papley gave away three umpire abuse free kicks in 2021 (I know because I ranted about each one). What’s fair for Papley has to be fair for Barry.

- I don’t back away from my view that young players shouldn’t be delivering negative feedback to Premiership Captain’s in group environments. As Barry said in the Mike Sheehan interview “the young player was trying to look like a leader”. Leadership is more than trying to look like a leader and I hope the young player whom Barry referred too (without naming) improved his leadership.

In my opinion, the only instance where a young player can provide feedback to an older champion is when that young player is in the leadership group.

- Barry was a champion, and the club walked taller on his shoulders. Despite Adam Goodes 2003 and 2006 Brownlow, Barry was the most important player during the 2003 - 2006 glory run.

A wise man knows when to stop.

[wolftone57]

My only point on this is about aggression. He had a lot of aggression, I'm not talking about the anger that caused the Staker incident. He played with the aggression needed to win premierships. There were other players in that side that played with the same aggression.

Matthews, Barry, Bolton, Bolton, Crouch, Roberts-Thompson, Kirk, Schneider, Fosdyke, Ablett all had plenty of grunt and manic attack on both player and ball. There were many more talented players who brought the aggression that day too. Goodes, Pebbles, Willo etc. Pressure is maintained by controlled aggression. Not by anger. This is the difference between the incidents that Barry was involved in and his other play. He maintained pressure on his opponent by controlled aggression and therefore benefitted.

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[Roadrunner]

Don’t close this thread. It’s a debate generator.

I will sum up BBBBH in the following points:

- I acknowledge that Barry like Tom Papley have moments of indiscipline where their on-field behaviour can give away free kicks and 50m penalties. Can people recall how many umpire abuse free kicks that Barry gave away. Papley gave away three umpire abuse free kicks in 2021 (I know because I ranted about each one). What’s fair for Papley has to be fair for Barry.

- I don’t back away from my view that young players shouldn’t be delivering negative feedback to Premiership Captain’s in group environments. As Barry said in the Mike Sheehan interview “the young player was trying to look like a leader”. Leadership is more than trying to look like a leader and I hope the young player whom Barry referred too (without naming) improved his leadership.

In my opinion, the only instance where a young player can provide feedback to an older champion is when that young player is in the leadership group.

- Barry was a champion, and the club walked taller on his shoulders. Despite Adam Goodes 2003 and 2006 Brownlow, Barry was the most important player during the 2003 - 2006 glory run.

BBBH was great for us and I’m happy if he is back in the fold. But no one is above criticism and he DID let the club and his team mates down numerous times. Our game has moved on from the bad old days and there is no place for hitting an opposition player with a fist- period! Anyone who does this needs to be called out, even if by the tea lady!

[Blood Fever]

My only point on this is about aggression. He had a lot of aggression, I'm not talking about the anger that caused the Staker incident. He played with the aggression needed to win premierships. There were other players in that side that played with the same aggression.

Matthews, Barry, Bolton, Bolton, Crouch, Roberts-Thompson, Kirk, Schneider, Fosdyke, Ablett all had plenty of grunt and manic attack on both player and ball. There were many more talented players who brought the aggression that day too. Goodes, Pebbles, Willo etc. Pressure is maintained by controlled aggression. Not by anger. This is the difference between the incidents that Barry was involved in and his other play. He maintained pressure on his opponent by controlled aggression and therefore benefitted.

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Don't forget Aamon Buchanan. Massive contributor in 2005/6. Hard as nails.