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With respect, I disagree with you on this matter and particularly with your examples in the above post. But, being vaguely familiar with your environment in example 1), I will use this to refute you.
You may - or may not - be familiar with a podcast and TV series called Dr Death which recounts the events of neurosurgeon Dr. Christopher Duntsch. He was called out by nursing staff and fellow doctors (of varying degrees of experience) for his unsafe practices. If it were not for others making an honest call there would have been significantly more deaths as a result of this “more senior/qualified” individual practicing medicine in his own manner.
As someone with over 2 decades experience in my field, I wholeheartedly acknowledge that new graduates bring a wealth of fresh knowledge into the work environment. While new graduates benefit from a more senior clinicians experience and knowledge, the senior clinician can also benefit from a new grad’s newly acquired current concept knowledge. If I was told there was a better (or even different) way to practice I would be open to this. Moreover, while we recognise that there is an experience disparity between veteran clinicians and new grads, they are expected to perform within the department as all other workers (with guidance when necessary). In the eyes of patients and other staff they are seen as our colleagues, and a afforded professional courtesy accordingly.
Barry Hall was a champion player and a champion Swan and from my experience a wonderful person off the field. However, that does not mean he cannot be held to account for his actions. Boris Johnson is experiencing this now among his colleagues. Donald Trump experienced at the hands of the voters (is there a bigger gap in qualification between a voter and a president?). Many tennis players of various rankings are expressing views on Novak.
But the reality is, for all of his accolades, experience and contribution, Barry Hall was a Swans player. And every other player in the meeting room was a player. My understanding is that this was one of the premises of Leading Teams and the development of the Swans culture. Everyone was accountable. And everyone was expected to hold others to account.
But your examples are, might I suggest, ridiculous to the extreme. A paralegal lecturing a managing partner? That analogy would be comparable to perhaps a club trainer lecturing Paul Roos. Apples and oranges. The fact is Barry Hall and your “upstart” are both players. Where are you drawing the line? 1 season experience vs 16 2 vs 15? 3 vs 14? So is an 8 year player an upstart relative to the 9 year veteran? Work experience lecturing the CEO? Now you’re comparing the volunteer boot studder to Tom Harley. Apple seed and orange trees. Utter nonsense. Perhaps your examples were meant in relative jest - but they appear somewhat foolish.
Barry was a premiership captain by virtue of happenstance (the captaincy was alternated weekly and it was his turn … and Stuart Maxfield was actually the captain that season until he resigned mid season and the Club adopted a co-captain model).
My opinion (and it’s simply an opinion) is that you have this very wrong and that you won’t let go. If I was the sole voice, you could and should dismiss me. However, similar sentiments are being echoed by many of your contemporaries on RWO (& while it would be ludicrous of me to point out that your relative newness to the RWO forum compared to the long standing members is analogous to the “upstart” to Barry Hall scenario, I’m sure the irony isn’t lost).
BS, perhaps you should heed the sagely advice of author C. JoyBell C. and “Choose your battles wisely.”
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In the length of time it took me to compose my response you stole my thunder!
You may - or may not - be familiar with a podcast and TV series called Dr Death which recounts the events of neurosurgeon Dr. Christopher Duntsch. He was called out by nursing staff and fellow doctors (of varying degrees of experience) for his unsafe practices. If it were not for others making an honest call there would have been significantly more deaths as a result of this “more senior/qualified” individual practicing medicine in his own manner.
As someone with over 2 decades experience in my field, I wholeheartedly acknowledge that new graduates bring a wealth of fresh knowledge into the work environment. While new graduates benefit from a more senior clinicians experience and knowledge, the senior clinician can also benefit from a new grad’s newly acquired current concept knowledge. If I was told there was a better (or even different) way to practice I would be open to this. Moreover, while we recognise that there is an experience disparity between veteran clinicians and new grads, they are expected to perform within the department as all other workers (with guidance when necessary). In the eyes of patients and other staff they are seen as our colleagues, and a afforded professional courtesy accordingly.
Barry Hall was a champion player and a champion Swan and from my experience a wonderful person off the field. However, that does not mean he cannot be held to account for his actions. Boris Johnson is experiencing this now among his colleagues. Donald Trump experienced at the hands of the voters (is there a bigger gap in qualification between a voter and a president?). Many tennis players of various rankings are expressing views on Novak.
But the reality is, for all of his accolades, experience and contribution, Barry Hall was a Swans player. And every other player in the meeting room was a player. My understanding is that this was one of the premises of Leading Teams and the development of the Swans culture. Everyone was accountable. And everyone was expected to hold others to account.
But your examples are, might I suggest, ridiculous to the extreme. A paralegal lecturing a managing partner? That analogy would be comparable to perhaps a club trainer lecturing Paul Roos. Apples and oranges. The fact is Barry Hall and your “upstart” are both players. Where are you drawing the line? 1 season experience vs 16 2 vs 15? 3 vs 14? So is an 8 year player an upstart relative to the 9 year veteran? Work experience lecturing the CEO? Now you’re comparing the volunteer boot studder to Tom Harley. Apple seed and orange trees. Utter nonsense. Perhaps your examples were meant in relative jest - but they appear somewhat foolish.
Barry was a premiership captain by virtue of happenstance (the captaincy was alternated weekly and it was his turn … and Stuart Maxfield was actually the captain that season until he resigned mid season and the Club adopted a co-captain model).
My opinion (and it’s simply an opinion) is that you have this very wrong and that you won’t let go. If I was the sole voice, you could and should dismiss me. However, similar sentiments are being echoed by many of your contemporaries on RWO (& while it would be ludicrous of me to point out that your relative newness to the RWO forum compared to the long standing members is analogous to the “upstart” to Barry Hall scenario, I’m sure the irony isn’t lost).
BS, perhaps you should heed the sagely advice of author C. JoyBell C. and “Choose your battles wisely.”
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In the length of time it took me to compose my response you stole my thunder!
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