BBBH

[i'm-uninformed2]

Nico, what your saying is that Leigh Mathews is no champion because he king hit a few guys along the way?

Without Barry and his elite play from 2003 - 2006 there would be no premiership. He was the key forward, he was the forward line ruckman, he was the physical battering ram, he was the protector and he made us all believe. He was the reason that Nick Davis, Ryan Okeef, Adam Goodes, Micky O and Adam Schneider were good forwards from 2003-2006. Hall made space for the other forwards, he drew coverage and he allows those guys to have one on ones.

No Barry, no 2005 premiership

No Barry, no Paul Roos leadership retreats

No Barry, no Captain Kirk

No Barry, no Leo Barry you star.

Hall and undisputed champion.

Not to be pedantic here, but Adam Goodes was a Brownlow winning ruckman, then a Brownlow winning midfielder, from 2003-2006. That's aside from playing 2004 as a KP defender after a PCL injury.

[0918330512]

Nico, what your saying is that Leigh Mathews is no champion because he king hit a few guys along the way?

That’s a bit of a flippant attitude on king hits. Ask David Hooks about how they can change a life … oh wait.

Champion football skills are very separate from unacceptable onfield indiscretions.

Without Barry and his elite play from 2003 - 2006 there would be no premiership. He was the key forward, he was the forward line ruckman, he was the physical battering ram, he was the protector and he made us all believe. He was the reason that Nick Davis, Ryan Okeef, Adam Goodes, Micky O and Adam Schneider were good forwards from 2003-2006. Hall made space for the other forwards, he drew coverage and he allows those guys to have one on ones.

No Nick Davis, no 4th quarter heroics against Geelong. No Bangalore hailing the brilliance of Hall winning us a premiership.

And surely the work of Nick Davis, Ryan Okeef, Adam Goodes, Micky O and Adam Schneider and so many others actually got the ball into the hands of Barry? Without the brilliance of his teammates (who Hall’s presence apparently made them great) delivering him the ball and placating his rage episodes, I’d imagine Hall would just be an even angrier less productive forward - with one less premiership.

Not to be pedantic here, but Adam Goodes was a Brownlow winning ruckman, then a Brownlow winning midfielder, from 2003-2006. That's aside from playing 2004 as a KP defender after a PCL injury.

To be pedantic, Kirk was already a captain with or without Hall for the 2005 season

[Bangalore Swans]

That’s a bit of a flippant attitude on king hits. Ask David Hooks about how they can change a life … oh wait.

Champion football skills are very separate from unacceptable onfield indiscretions.


No Nick Davis, no 4th quarter heroics against Geelong. No Bangalore hailing the brilliance of Hall winning us a premiership.

And surely the work of Nick Davis, Ryan Okeef, Adam Goodes, Micky O and Adam Schneider and so many others actually got the ball into the hands of Barry? Without the brilliance of his teammates (who Hall’s presence apparently made them great) delivering him the ball and placating his rage episodes, I’d imagine Hall would just be an even angrier less productive forward - with one less premiership.



To be pedantic, Kirk was already a captain with or without Hall for the 2005 season

David Hookes situation was trajic. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never heard of Mathews or Hall getting into fights at pubs or night spots. To put Hall or Mathews in the league of guys who fight in pubs is unacceptable. Mathews and Hall got White Line Fever.

Davis, Goodes, Micky O, Okeefe and Snieder got so many more one on ones due to Hall’s presence. I believe strongly that the physical threat of Hall had defenders worrying about where Hall was and not about their opponents as much.

I’m not into this Captain Kirk stuff. To use a Star Trek analogy, Kirk during that press conference, treated hall like he was Khan. Barry Hall like Khan was effectively abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. Unfortunately Brett Kirk was no James T Kirk.

[0918330512]

David Hookes situation was trajic. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never heard of Mathews or Hall getting into fights at pubs or night spots.

It was tragic, but here’s the correction. And I will try to make this pretty obvious for you.

I didn’t say that either Hall or Matthews king hit anyone in a pub.

You asked Nico if “Matthew’s wasn’t a champion because he king hit a few guys along the way”.

I said that “king hitting a few guys” was a fairly flippant attitude towards a violent action that can kill a person. KILL. If a king happens in the field of play (even if the player is niggled, or he has off field relationship issues, or for whatever incited Leigh Matthews to do it) and IF it happens to result in death - and we know that under the right (or perhaps wrong) circumstances it can - the champion will likely be changed with manslaughter.

I don’t know how I can make that point any clearer.

To put Hall or Mathews in the league of guys who fight in pubs is unacceptable. Mathews and Hall got White Line Fever.

Bangalore, to put their actions, if referring to king hitting someone, “in the league of guys who fight in pubs” IS totally acceptable. The tribunal deems it unacceptable to king hit someone. The long term repercussion of severe concussion makes it unacceptable, even if the recipient isn’t killed. Grab yourself a copy of the movie Concussion for some insight.

The rest of the piffle in your post I can’t be bothered with. Sorry.

[Nico]

Nico, what your saying is that Leigh Mathews is no champion because he king hit a few guys along the way?

Without Barry and his elite play from 2003 - 2006 there would be no premiership. He was the key forward, he was the forward line ruckman, he was the physical battering ram, he was the protector and he made us all believe. He was the reason that Nick Davis, Ryan Okeef, Adam Goodes, Micky O and Adam Schneider were good forwards from 2003-2006. Hall made space for the other forwards, he drew coverage and he allows those guys to have one on ones.

No Barry, no 2005 premiership

No Barry, no Paul Roos leadership retreats

No Barry, no Captain Kirk

No Barry, no Leo Barry you star.

Hall and undisputed champion.

I am saying Matthews was no champion for that very reason. "A few players", strike me handsome the bloke went out every week to maim players and put them out of the game. Was a dog of a footballer. And I don't buy the white line fever excuse. Some of his hits on players were downright sickening. Many of them off the ball and behind play. I can't stand the sound of his insincere voice.

[Bloods05]

David Hookes situation was trajic. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never heard of Mathews or Hall getting into fights at pubs or night spots. To put Hall or Mathews in the league of guys who fight in pubs is unacceptable. Mathews and Hall got White Line Fever.

Davis, Goodes, Micky O, Okeefe and Snieder got so many more one on ones due to Hall’s presence. I believe strongly that the physical threat of Hall had defenders worrying about where Hall was and not about their opponents as much.

I’m not into this Captain Kirk stuff. To use a Star Trek analogy, Kirk during that press conference, treated hall like he was Khan. Barry Hall like Khan was effectively abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. Unfortunately Brett Kirk was no James T Kirk.

Stop it! Stop it! That horse is already dead!!!!!

[Nico]

David Hookes situation was trajic. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never heard of Mathews or Hall getting into fights at pubs or night spots. To put Hall or Mathews in the league of guys who fight in pubs is unacceptable. Mathews and Hall got White Line Fever.

Davis, Goodes, Micky O, Okeefe and Snieder got so many more one on ones due to Hall’s presence. I believe strongly that the physical threat of Hall had defenders worrying about where Hall was and not about their opponents as much.

I’m not into this Captain Kirk stuff. To use a Star Trek analogy, Kirk during that press conference, treated hall like he was Khan. Barry Hall like Khan was effectively abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. Unfortunately Brett Kirk was no James T Kirk.

You don't get much right. David Hookes was king hit by a bouncer way out of the precinct of the hotel. How the bouncer got off a manslaughter charge is beyond most people's comprehension. He ran after Hookes and king hit him. Hookes didn't even see him coming and Hookes wasn't involved in an altercation. He was moving his players on to avoid conflict. To infer he was involved in a pub fight is downright insulting.

[Nico]

It was tragic, but here’s the correction. And I will try to make this pretty obvious for you.

I didn’t say that either Hall or Matthews king hit anyone in a pub.

You asked Nico if “Matthew’s wasn’t a champion because he king hit a few guys along the way”.

I said that “king hitting a few guys” was a fairly flippant attitude towards a violent action that can kill a person. KILL. If a king happens in the field of play (even if the player is niggled, or he has off field relationship issues, or for whatever incited Leigh Matthews to do it) and IF it happens to result in death - and we know that under the right (or perhaps wrong) circumstances it can - the champion will likely be changed with manslaughter.

I don’t know how I can make that point any clearer.


Bangalore, to put their actions, if referring to king hitting someone, “in the league of guys who fight in pubs” IS totally acceptable. The tribunal deems it unacceptable to king hit someone. The long term repercussion of severe concussion makes it unacceptable, even if the recipient isn’t killed. Grab yourself a copy of the movie Concussion for some insight.

The rest of the piffle in your post I can’t be bothered with. Sorry.

Indeed, Matthews was charged with assault when he rearranged the face of Neville Bruns. Bruns was doing nothing but standing on the ground and Matthews gratuitously belted him for no other reason but to seriously hurt him as he ran by him.

[0918330512]

You don't get much right. David Hookes was king hit by a bouncer way out of the precinct of the hotel. How the bouncer got off a manslaughter charge is beyond most people's comprehension. He ran after Hookes and king hit him. Hookes didn't even see him coming and Hookes wasn't involved in an altercation. He was moving his players on to avoid conflict. To infer he was involved in a pub fight is downright insulting.

And that was my point. It’s a king hit and the other person doesn’t see it coming. Be at a pub or on an oval. The consequences for the recipients are the same. Dangerous and potentially fatal.

“Matthews king hit a few guys on the way to becoming a champion”? Pft! IMO it’s not something a normal rational person just does.

[mcs]

David Hookes situation was trajic. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never heard of Mathews or Hall getting into fights at pubs or night spots. To put Hall or Mathews in the league of guys who fight in pubs is unacceptable. Mathews and Hall got White Line Fever.

Davis, Goodes, Micky O, Okeefe and Snieder got so many more one on ones due to Hall’s presence. I believe strongly that the physical threat of Hall had defenders worrying about where Hall was and not about their opponents as much.

I’m not into this Captain Kirk stuff. To use a Star Trek analogy, Kirk during that press conference, treated hall like he was Khan. Barry Hall like Khan was effectively abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. Unfortunately Brett Kirk was no James T Kirk.

I don't understand in any world where the equivalent of king hitting someone on the football field is somehow acceptable due to the mitigating circumstance of 'white line fever'.....

Give it up already, you are never going to win the argument on this point. Before you find yourself popping out in Beijing at the bottom of your very deep hole.

[Velour&Ruffles]

We can agree that Barry Hall is a champion of the AFL game and along with Goodes the greatest Swan of the 2000 - 2010 decade.

Yep. Spot on. Despite my love for LRT expressed on another thread, BBBBH was more pivotal to our 2005 success. No Bustler, no 2005 Flag. It really is that binary.

[Bangalore Swans]

You don't get much right. David Hookes was king hit by a bouncer way out of the precinct of the hotel. How the bouncer got off a manslaughter charge is beyond most people's comprehension. He ran after Hookes and king hit him. Hookes didn't even see him coming and Hookes wasn't involved in an altercation. He was moving his players on to avoid conflict. To infer he was involved in a pub fight is downright insulting.

You have twisted my quote. I didn’t infer that Hookes was involved in a pub fight. All I said on David Hookes was that the situation was tragic. I then moved onto Mathews and Hall and where their hits had been committed.

There are two options here:

1) Nico apologise

2) Mods, please wipe Nico’s post and my reply off as well.

[stevoswan]

Yep. Spot on. Despite my love for LRT expressed on another thread, BBBBH was more pivotal to our 2005 success. No Bustler, no 2005 Flag. It really is that binary.

Don't you start V&R!

[Bangalore Swans]

Yep. Spot on. Despite my love for LRT expressed on another thread, BBBBH was more pivotal to our 2005 success. No Bustler, no 2005 Flag. It really is that binary.

Thank you. Finally a positive response to my post.

[Velour&Ruffles]

Totally agree, as Jack Dyer would say "A good average footballer"

Same as "Role Model" is used too freely with anyone who can chase a bag of wind and makes a mozza by doing their job.

Sorry but this comment is absolute crap and only perpetuates the (generally unfair) notion that Swans supporters don't know anything about football. The idea that Hall was no more than a good average footballer is so hilariously wrong that you devalue any other contributions you might make. Flawed maybe, but good average footballer? He was arguably the most influential player in the entire comp from 2002-2005. Your comment is absurd.