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That’s a bit of a flippant attitude on king hits. Ask David Hooks about how they can change a life … oh wait.
Champion football skills are very separate from unacceptable onfield indiscretions.
No Nick Davis, no 4th quarter heroics against Geelong. No Bangalore hailing the brilliance of Hall winning us a premiership.
And surely the work of Nick Davis, Ryan Okeef, Adam Goodes, Micky O and Adam Schneider and so many others actually got the ball into the hands of Barry? Without the brilliance of his teammates (who Hall’s presence apparently made them great) delivering him the ball and placating his rage episodes, I’d imagine Hall would just be an even angrier less productive forward - with one less premiership.
To be pedantic, Kirk was already a captain with or without Hall for the 2005 seasonComment
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David Hookes situation was trajic. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never heard of Mathews or Hall getting into fights at pubs or night spots. To put Hall or Mathews in the league of guys who fight in pubs is unacceptable. Mathews and Hall got White Line Fever.
Davis, Goodes, Micky O, Okeefe and Snieder got so many more one on ones due to Hall’s presence. I believe strongly that the physical threat of Hall had defenders worrying about where Hall was and not about their opponents as much.
I’m not into this Captain Kirk stuff. To use a Star Trek analogy, Kirk during that press conference, treated hall like he was Khan. Barry Hall like Khan was effectively abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. Unfortunately Brett Kirk was no James T Kirk.Comment
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It was tragic, but here’s the correction. And I will try to make this pretty obvious for you.
I didn’t say that either Hall or Matthews king hit anyone in a pub.
You asked Nico if “Matthew’s wasn’t a champion because he king hit a few guys along the way”.
I said that “king hitting a few guys” was a fairly flippant attitude towards a violent action that can kill a person. KILL. If a king happens in the field of play (even if the player is niggled, or he has off field relationship issues, or for whatever incited Leigh Matthews to do it) and IF it happens to result in death - and we know that under the right (or perhaps wrong) circumstances it can - the champion will likely be changed with manslaughter.
I don’t know how I can make that point any clearer.
Bangalore, to put their actions, if referring to king hitting someone, “in the league of guys who fight in pubs” IS totally acceptable. The tribunal deems it unacceptable to king hit someone. The long term repercussion of severe concussion makes it unacceptable, even if the recipient isn’t killed. Grab yourself a copy of the movie Concussion for some insight.
The rest of the piffle in your post I can’t be bothered with. Sorry.Last edited by 0918330512; 24 January 2022, 06:56 PM.Comment
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I am saying Matthews was no champion for that very reason. "A few players", strike me handsome the bloke went out every week to maim players and put them out of the game. Was a dog of a footballer. And I don't buy the white line fever excuse. Some of his hits on players were downright sickening. Many of them off the ball and behind play. I can't stand the sound of his insincere voice.Comment
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You don't get much right. David Hookes was king hit by a bouncer way out of the precinct of the hotel. How the bouncer got off a manslaughter charge is beyond most people's comprehension. He ran after Hookes and king hit him. Hookes didn't even see him coming and Hookes wasn't involved in an altercation. He was moving his players on to avoid conflict. To infer he was involved in a pub fight is downright insulting.Comment
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And that was my point. It’s a king hit and the other person doesn’t see it coming. Be at a pub or on an oval. The consequences for the recipients are the same. Dangerous and potentially fatal.
“Matthews king hit a few guys on the way to becoming a champion”? Pft! IMO it’s not something a normal rational person just does.Comment
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I don't understand in any world where the equivalent of king hitting someone on the football field is somehow acceptable due to the mitigating circumstance of 'white line fever'.....
Give it up already, you are never going to win the argument on this point. Before you find yourself popping out in Beijing at the bottom of your very deep hole."You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."Comment
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You have twisted my quote. I didn’t infer that Hookes was involved in a pub fight. All I said on David Hookes was that the situation was tragic. I then moved onto Mathews and Hall and where their hits had been committed.
There are two options here:
1) Nico apologise
2) Mods, please wipe Nico’s post and my reply off as well.Comment
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Sorry but this comment is absolute crap and only perpetuates the (generally unfair) notion that Swans supporters don't know anything about football. The idea that Hall was no more than a good average footballer is so hilariously wrong that you devalue any other contributions you might make. Flawed maybe, but good average footballer? He was arguably the most influential player in the entire comp from 2002-2005. Your comment is absurd.My opinion is objective truth in its purest formComment
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