2022 List management, trading, drafting

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  • Ruck'n'Roll
    Ego alta, ergo ictus
    • Nov 2003
    • 3990

    HPN Ludwig?

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      So we're interested in packaging 14 & 17 for a more pointy pick and we'll go best available.

      So when looking at possible draftees, don't discount any player based on position.

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16764

        Originally posted by Ludwig

        I've always had a problem with the draft points rating system, which I believe was skewed toward the top end to make us pay up for Callum Mills. Interestingly, HPN use a rating system which is about 15% more compressed than the AFL, i.e. they value later picks more highly than the AFL do, which is closer to my own rating.

        Picks 14 + 17 roughly converts to a pick 3, and usually it's not good enough to get a pick 3. It's easy to screw up a top pick. So many have failed. Aaron Francis and Weideman are a couple of example who are going cheap this year. It's harder to make a big mistake with 2 picks in the teens, than 1 in the top 5.
        Do they not acknowledge, though, that their methodology doesn't capture the value (ie scarcity) of list spots?

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        • RogueSwan
          McVeigh for Brownlow
          • Apr 2003
          • 4602

          Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
          HPN Ludwig?
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          Kicking it long since 2014
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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            The more I think about it, the more I like the deal I have proposed for pick 7. But I'm not confident that Geelong would do the deal (Gold Coast certainly wouldn't). I reckon we should let the Pies know we're willing to do that deal in case it makes them any more resolute about not accepting pick 25 for Henry.

            I wonder if Geelong would trade pick 25 and a pick they get for Ratugolea (e.g. pick 33) for Henry and Collingwood's pick 41. Collingwood might settle for that. That would screw my plan.

            We could still look to trade up with another club with a pick between 8 and 13 on draft night if it will land us the player we want and that we'll otherwise miss out on.

            Otherwise, if we're left with the picks that we have, I like the fact that 14 and 17 are both one pick in front of GWS at 15 and 18. Means we can target the players with less go home factor first.
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            • bloodspirit
              Clubman
              • Apr 2015
              • 4448

              Harry Cunningham has signed on for 2 more years. Great news for us. Feel a bit sorry for Harry if it means he couldn't get a decent offer elsewhere. I wish him the best. Champion bloke.
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              • 707
                Veterans List
                • Aug 2009
                • 6204

                Originally posted by bloodspirit
                Harry Cunningham has signed on for 2 more years. Great news for us. Feel a bit sorry for Harry if it means he couldn't get a decent offer elsewhere. I wish him the best. Champion bloke.
                Probably drifted back in the pecking order to first up depth? Two years on modest $ you'd assume.

                Beatson quoted as saying Francis wants to get out of the bubble, Sydney provides that, Adelaide his home town wouldn't. Three way trade with Weideman going to Bombers, Francis to us and we give something to Melbourne.

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                • i'm-uninformed2
                  Reefer Madness
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4653

                  Originally posted by 707
                  Probably drifted back in the pecking order to first up depth? Two years on modest $ you'd assume.

                  Beatson quoted as saying Francis wants to get out of the bubble, Sydney provides that, Adelaide his home town wouldn't. Three way trade with Weideman going to Bombers, Francis to us and we give something to Melbourne.
                  Here's a bit of Beatson on it, and subtly implying that Dodoro will inevitably be a dickhead on the way through

                  'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                  • ugg
                    Can you feel it?
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15970

                    I wouldn't have thought a fringe player like Francis would be that complicated, but of course we are dealing with Essendon and Dodoro.
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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16764

                      Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                      Here's a bit of Beatson on it, and subtly implying that Dodoro will inevitably be a dickhead on the way through

                      https://twitter.com/AFL/status/15796...CKebtr299gjFxw
                      He wasn't being particularly subtle.

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                      • Blood Fever
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4045

                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        Harry Cunningham has signed on for 2 more years. Great news for us. Feel a bit sorry for Harry if it means he couldn't get a decent offer elsewhere. I wish him the best. Champion bloke.
                        Good news. Still in our best 22 when fit.

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                        • waswan
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 2047

                          Hopefully we are eyeing Pick 5 from GC

                          Or Pick 4 and Francis if it wasnt Dodi8khead

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                          • ugg
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15970

                            Absolute crickets regarding Melican. He’s contracted for next year so if he doesn’t get traded we could have a strong VFL defence next year with Francis joining Melican and Gould

                            Before the trade period started I thought St Kilda might have interest but they have since signed Zaine Cordy
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                            • Dow
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Sep 2022
                              • 834

                              Originally posted by Blood Fever
                              Good news. Still in our best 22 when fit.
                              Think the inclusion of Fox as part of the regular back 6 has forced Cunningham out and is seen more of a depth player now, why he looked around before resigning (still good to have on the books ????)

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                              • caj23
                                Senior Player
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 2462

                                I think Beatson indicated that Melican is staying

                                He's too injury prone for another club to take the risk with (my take not KBs)

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