Round 6 pre-match thread - vs Hawthorn, Monday 25 April, University of Tasmania Oval

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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    #91
    Originally posted by liz
    It's a great week for the VFL side to have a bye. Otherwise Jeremy Laidler might find himself elevated off the emergency list. And playing first ruck.
    I had the same thought about the VFL bye. Incidentally, Jeremy Laidler was running around on the field in intraclub match practice at training, making up the numbers while the VFL listed guys were absent.

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    Originally posted by Ludwig
    I find the omissions of content on the injury exasperating. Now Fox and COR are finally listed but with TBC on the return date. After 3 weeks one would think there would be something more definitive on a hamstring and an eye injury. We also know that both Amartey and Roberts were taken out of the VFL game due to concussion, so they should be on the injury list, except they're not. There has also been a lack of news on why Shledrick and McAndrew didn't play on Sunday.

    I think Bell looks a bit better this year, but agree with the comments about his indecision. It would be a big improvement to his game if he could see the play developing around him more quickly. His instincts near goal are pretty good. Maybe if he could play more instinctual footy he could make a big leap in his progress. I suppose it would be more beneficial to him to stay at AFL level, but I imagine he will be replaced wither this week or next, when Papley becomes available.

    I noticed had trouble sticking their tackles on a mature Geelong side. Maybe it was the rain. But it made me think that JPK might be a good inclusion against a team like Hawthorn, but I also like the mix of our current midfield, so am undecided about selection if it comes down to Bell or Kennedy.
    Ludwig, I have posted an update about injuries in the VFL thread which has slightly more info than the club has published.

    Also, I posted there that I learned today that the club does deliberately omit updates about injury news for certain players for strategic reasons. It's not just laziness or incompetence.
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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      #92
      I agree when you look at the side which played v the Weagles it’s hard to see how JPK gets back in.

      I can’t see any mids coming out, unless one of them is injured.

      They could reshuffle slightly and replace Bell/Ronke with Wicks/JPK and then get other mids Heeney, RB, Errol. Parker to spend a bit more time FWD.

      I’m actually a bit unclear about Parker’s role in 2022 and whether he’ll end up being a FWD/MID rather than vice versa.

      On one level, it makes more sense for Parker to become a fwd because he can do that.

      JPK can’t really do much except contested ball but then he is the best AFL player in history at doing that.

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      • i'm-uninformed2
        Reefer Madness
        • Oct 2003
        • 4653

        #93
        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        I agree when you look at the side which played v the Weagles it’s hard to see how JPK gets back in.

        I can’t see any mids coming out, unless one of them is injured.

        They could reshuffle slightly and replace Bell/Ronke with Wicks/JPK and then get other mids Heeney, RB, Errol. Parker to spend a bit more time FWD.

        I’m actually a bit unclear about Parker’s role in 2022 and whether he’ll end up being a FWD/MID rather than vice versa.

        On one level, it makes more sense for Parker to become a fwd because he can do that.

        JPK can’t really do much except contested ball but then he is the best AFL player in history at doing that.
        We will want Parker in the middle in the big games. He’s playing a bit more forward now, and he’s very good at it, whilst he’s got a groin niggle.
        'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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        • Bangalore Swans
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Mar 2021
          • 1049

          #94
          Originally posted by Markwebbos
          I agree when you look at the side which played v the Weagles it’s hard to see how JPK gets back in.

          I can’t see any mids coming out, unless one of them is injured.

          They could reshuffle slightly and replace Bell/Ronke with Wicks/JPK and then get other mids Heeney, RB, Errol. Parker to spend a bit more time FWD.

          I’m actually a bit unclear about Parker’s role in 2022 and whether he’ll end up being a FWD/MID rather than vice versa.

          On one level, it makes more sense for Parker to become a fwd because he can do that.

          JPK can’t really do much except contested ball but then he is the best AFL player in history at doing that.
          Is there a statistical analysis that shows that Kennedy Is the best AFL player in history at winning contested ball? I would have thought that Fyfe, Dangerfield, Bont and Sam Mitchell were also great with contested ball.

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          • i'm-uninformed2
            Reefer Madness
            • Oct 2003
            • 4653

            #95
            Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
            Is there a statistical analysis that shows that Kennedy Is the best AFL player in history at winning contested ball? I would have thought that Fyfe, Dangerfield, Bont and Sam Mitchell were also great with contested ball.
            Here you go. No2 and closing fast on Mitchell for clearances and Ablett on contested.

            I also remember seeing that he’d had the most in the 2010-20 decade, which when you consider some of the talent around, is supreme. He’s a beast.

            'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              #96
              He needs 3 more CPs and 8 more clearances to be the GOAT in each category. In its own way as momentous as 1,000 goals

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              • Markwebbos
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2016
                • 7186

                #97
                CJ out with a hammy

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                • royboy42
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2076

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Markwebbos
                  CJ out with a hammy
                  CJ?

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                  • Meg
                    Go Swannies!
                    Site Admin
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 4828

                    #99
                    Originally posted by royboy42
                    CJ?
                    Yes, it would have been a more useful post with a name. I have just looked it up.

                    CJ = Hawthorn defender Changkuoth Jiath

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                    • Goal Sneak
                      Out of Bounds on the Full
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 653

                      Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                      Here you go. No2 and closing fast on Mitchell for clearances and Ablett on contested.

                      I also remember seeing that he’d had the most in the 2010-20 decade, which when you consider some of the talent around, is supreme. He’s a beast.

                      https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players.html
                      Those number from Josh are unquestionable. Consistently unstoppable, a true champ.

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16744

                        Originally posted by Meg
                        Yes, it would have been a more useful post with a name. I have just looked it up.

                        CJ = Hawthorn defender Changkuoth Jiath
                        He is pretty widely known as CJ. You can even hear the umpires call him CJ during matches.

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                        • Aaron
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 805

                          Originally posted by bloodspirit
                          Also, I posted there that I learned today that the club does deliberately omit updates about injury news for certain players for strategic reasons. It's not just laziness or incompetence.
                          In an article on Fox Sports titled :Dudding the fan’: AFL greats call for greater transparency over team selection after shock moves... David King says “Opposition clubs have a great education of where they’re at because they’re watching training." and "“The only people that get short-changed on all this is the fan."

                          I think the clubs don't have to keep these as secrets. Opponents who want to know will find ways to know and only the fans who have no resources to avoid being fooled.

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                            We will want Parker in the middle in the big games. He’s playing a bit more forward now, and he’s very good at it, whilst he’s got a groin niggle.
                            Agreed. Once he gets over that injury issue then expect him to be in the middle and at clearances more than now.

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                            • Aprilbr
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 1803

                              Originally posted by Meg
                              Yes, it would have been a more useful post with a name. I have just looked it up.

                              CJ = Hawthorn defender Changkuoth Jiath
                              A big loss for them because of his run out of defence. He played very well against us last season.

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                              • Aprilbr
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 1803

                                Originally posted by waswan
                                Kennedy to run with Mitchell, perfect sense.

                                Wicks is far from an auto inclusion if healthy for me
                                "Run with" maybe overstating it, Waswan! With those two, its more like a gentle trot, but I agree with others that Joey has been a beast for us for over one decade. He will retire a great of this club.

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