Sydney vs Collingwood Match Thread

[Matty10]

The period of play from when Rampe prevented a certain goal to the Heeney tap and one hand drop to his left boot for a goal by Buddy is the best of the year I reckon and the crowd acknowledged it bigtime. It was maniacal defence and a opportunistic magical goal.

Totally agree. I have replayed that moment half a dozen times. Absolutely brilliant.

[stellation]

Yep. There was a play later in the last quarter. Thrown in in our f50, he’s down there, Collingwood work it up the wing, into our d50, Paddy Mc cleans up and clears it with a short kick still inside our d50 to Logan for the mark. He’d run seriously hard chasing (I think Crisp).

Of course we would like a bit more from him offensively and goal kicking wise, but right now he’s our sixth forward - after Heeney, Bud, Paps, Wil and Reid. We don’t yet need him to blow games apart, but do all the right things the team demands. On his day, he’ll grab three or four goals. In the meantime, he’s tracking beautifully.

Stella Jr, who can be a harsh judge on talent, suggested yesterday that Logan is elite in just about every conceivable area apart from the traditional key forward elements of big clunk/kick a goal, and that he's shown enough in those areas that you know he'll get there with time. He also suggested that Logan already has a career's worth of handballing highlights in his handful of games.

There was one instance right near the end where Logan must have lead about 40 metres to get to a pack between the wing and half back, made a contest and made sure the ball got out of bounds. He looked buggered, but just turned and trotted back to the forward line ready to do it again. He really seems to be just a natural footballer.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Stella Jr, who can be a harsh judge on talent, suggested yesterday that Logan is elite in just about every conceivable area apart from the traditional key forward elements of big clunk/kick a goal, and that he's shown enough in those areas that you know he'll get there with time. He also suggested that Logan already has a career's worth of handballing highlights in his handful of games.

There was one instance right near the end where Logan must have lead about 40 metres to get to a pack between the wing and half back, made a contest and made sure the ball got out of bounds. He looked buggered, but just turned and trotted back to the forward line ready to do it again. He really seems to be just a natural footballer.

Stella Jr has always been a good judge of footy and singling out Logan’s handball skills is spot on. He’s delivered half a dozen elite handballs to set blokes up for goals this year.

[Agent 86]

Sydney vs Collingwood Match Thread

It's not clear to me if all or only 1 or the conditions in a, b and c have to be in place. In most of the instances of conceding a point that I've seen the defensive player has had time and space to dispose of the ball, but is under sufficient pressure to concede the point. Even if it was a mark and called play on, it would seem that if a player is within the 9 metres and putting pressure on the player with the ball, then the player should be able to concede the point. The relevant time when this rule should become operative should be when the umpire calls 'play on'. I don't think it's relevant that there was a mark preceding a play on call, because the other conditions were still operative at the time. The way I see it, all 3 of a, b and c would have to be in effect for it to be a penalty.

Yes. The rule reads as a), b), c) are all “ands”

Mongrel Punt article has a nice description.

Including: “Nathan Williamson may be a nice guy. He has lovely hair and looks in ripping shape, but this reeked of an umpire imposing himself on the contest. He ran in like his butt was on fire and called a deliberate behind, which gave Johnson a goal and switched the momentum.”

I noticed him a few times being overly keen to award a dodgy free.

The same article also singles out Clarke. Doesn’t mention the disposals but I think it’s pretty accurate.

Oh, btw, is the “The Iron McCartin” (in the comments of TMP) really a thing? I like it.

[Hotpotato]

Yes. The rule reads as a), b), c) are all “ands”

Mongrel Punt article has a nice description.

Including: “Nathan Williamson may be a nice guy. He has lovely hair and looks in ripping shape, but this reeked of an umpire imposing himself on the contest. He ran in like his butt was on fire and called a deliberate behind, which gave Johnson a goal and switched the momentum.”

I noticed him a few times being overly keen to award a dodgy free.

The same article also singles out Clarke. Doesn’t mention the disposals but I think it’s pretty accurate.

Oh, btw, is the “The Iron McCartin” (in the comments of TMP) really a thing?

It was over officiating and yes, his butt did appear to be on fire.

[Agent 86]

magnificent scenes

https://i.imgur.com/tk79va2.png

And as the sun sets…

Given general admission tickets sold out last week and many I know turned away from the members, what should the crowd have been?

[Roadrunner]

I had the same thought. But who would you select to replace him?

All options have flaws.

I actually think Sheldrick might be the best bet; just a shame there isn't time to give him a runway of games into the finals.

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Clarke’s position is tricky- he is a very effective tagger, as he has shown since coming into the team. At the same time his disposals both by hand and foot can be awful, as witnessed yesterday. To me, this happens with him when put under pressure, which certainly was the case against the Pies, and this is his weakness. Truth be told, this is the trait that separates good VFL players from AFL, where a split second makes all the difference.

So if a key tagging role is needed, retain Clarke. Otherwise I would have Campbell in the team.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Hayward's Marking as the 'get out' target has got us out of trouble multiple times this year. He has taken the next step in that regard and his hands are very solid even under massive pressure. If he and Reid can continue to mark it more often than not, then it adds a huge extra dimension to our play, as it gives defenders confidence there will be someone there to help get us out of trouble if need be.

Wilbur's been wonderful and is exhibit A in playing your role in a way that adds to the structural integrity of the team.

He's always been a goal scorer, done a lot of unrewarded running and has good skills. But his ability to take those marks up on the wing from the release kick from d50 is crucial. It both gives our defence the relief it needs and fills a crucial gap that he who shall not be named left behind when he departed.

It also allows Buddy and other talls to keep their shape forward of the ball. If Bud or Reid are getting drawn up to the back half of the ground, defences will find it easier to sag back and pick us off.

He plays at high speed Wilbur, and now he's adding that consistent marking to his game - whilst still being on track for a 30 goal season - it makes him a very valuable player.

[Swanny40519]

That Collingwood banner needs to be burned. Something about Swannies unable to win without COLA. I hope we bring the fury today to each contest.

I saw that as well. Typical moronic comments from the Pies.

[Hotpotato]

I saw that as well. Typical moronic comments from the Pies.

I know one of the Collingwood flag bearers, he lives in Sydney and I see him quite often , he’s a very nice bloke, extremely polite and helpful where he works, but I will (politely) pass on some of the feedback on here.

[Swanny40519]

Yeah I agree. He fumbles and panics with the ball far too much and when the pressure is up during a final I reckon he'll be even worse! I'd love to be proven wrong though! I guess we'll see!

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Agree as well. Clarke had 5 kicks and 12 handballs and I bet every handball resulted in a turnover. His skills are not up to AFL standard. Campbell could do a lot better job.
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[Agent 86]

I saw that as well. Typical moronic comments from the Pies.

Well, they could say the same thing about the booing of Ginnivan. It’s very poor form. Plus the way the big screen came back to him for a second round. I was very disappointed &, frankly, embarrassed by that.

That’s not us. And I’d like the club admin to come out and say as much. It’s moronic.

[111431]

Agree as well. Clarke had 5 kicks and 12 handballs and I bet every handball resulted in a turnover. His skills are not up to AFL standard. Campbell could do a lot better job.
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I agree about Clarke's disposal, particularly by foot, but in the pressure of finals his tagging skills are invaluable. Wicks and Ronke do not have those defensive skills

[111431]

Well, they could say the same thing about the booing of Ginnivan. It’s very poor form. Plus the way the big screen came back to him for a second round. I was very disappointed &, frankly, embarrassed by that.

That’s not us. And I’d like the club admin to come out and say as much. It’s moronic.

and Campbell might have great offensive skills and excellent disposal but he has been a midfielder all his life and probably never had to be too accountable for locking down a player. It would be very difficult for him to quickly adapt to the role. Clarke is a scrapper who has to work his butt off every week to retain his place in the side. He hasn't let us down defensively since he came into the team. Must be retained

[Meg]

Yes. The rule reads as a), b), c) are all “ands”.

I don’t think that is correct. Each point stands alone as a reason for awarding a free kick.

Note that point (a) refers to ‘greater than nine metres’. If all three points (a), (b) and (c) need to apply before a free kick is awarded, then it would mean that a player who is more than nine metres out but who is under pressure could legally kick the ball over the goal line. And we know that is not the case.