Sydney vs Collingwood Match Thread

[RogueSwan]

No, it isn't unfair. He's getting the negative feedback that he deserves. ...

Nope, he is a teenager that the media has made the poster boy for ducking/dropping for free kicks. There a many footballers across the league that do the same thing. Jack doesn't deserve to be booed when sitting on the bench injured.

[dejavoodoo44]

Nope, he is a teenager that the media has made the poster boy for ducking/dropping for free kicks. There a many footballers across the league that do the same thing. Jack doesn't deserve to be booed when sitting on the bench injured.

No, his staging for free kicks is not a media beat up. His staging for frees is an entirely voluntary facet of his game*. While I'm sure that there's elements of media throwing petrol on the fire, all he has to do is to stop the flagrant staging and there's every likelihood that the controversy will immediately stop. Or the focus will move on to another of the more theatrical milkers, like Weightman.

And even though I don't consume that much AFL media, there seems to me that there's now other sections of the media running with a 'why are they picking on poor Jack' narrative. Which to me, is a guarantee that the controversy will continue and that he'll keep on staging. Which is because it's rewarding his poor behaviour, with sympathetic attention. He's also being rewarded with soft frees, when the tackler had no intention of hitting him high. And it should be remembered, that the AFL has told the umpires to not be so willing to give frees for high contact, because it was obvious to everyone, that he and a few notable others, but mostly Ginnivan, were continually being rewarded for their cheating tactics. But that justified negative feedback, which was given to him by the AFL, has not seemed to have altered his behaviour. So, more is required.

One part of that, is opposition fans reacting with hostility to the flagrant staging of him and others. (And I do think that people aren't really thinking it through, if they imagine that AFL fans will happily and quietly accept, that their team has just been dudded a charity goal from a non-existent free.) But the best sort of negative feedback that he could get right now, is for his colleagues at Collingwood to tell him to pull his head in. That is, they should be aware enough, to realise that as long as he keeps staging, then the controversy will continue. And they should inform him, that if he no longer wants to be reviled, then he should start behaving with some integrity.

And by the way, I did think it was a touch unnecessary, to boo an injured player sitting on the bench. But that only appeared to be a very small section of the crowd, late in the game, after 7 persisted in showing multiple shots of the Collingwood bench for some reason.

*Since he stages so often, it now might not be entirely voluntary. It might actually be progressing towards a habitual behaviour, that's becoming instinctively adopted when in traffic?

[stellation]

I giggled at Jack being booed when on the big screen, and was amused at what seemed to be him hamming it up and being playful with the crowd with pouting his lips then smiling. In hindsight, he is a very young man and probably didn't need the extra boos whilst injured- even if tongue in cheek.

[graemed]

Well, they could say the same thing about the booing of Ginnivan. It’s very poor form. Plus the way the big screen came back to him for a second round. I was very disappointed &, frankly, embarrassed by that.

That’s not us. And I’d like the club admin to come out and say as much. It’s moronic.

+1

I don’t like Collingwood but this is teenager who grew up watching Joel Selwood. I can’t help thinking that this is how it began for Adam Goodes, with ignorant people following along like sheep and only considering themselves and overlooking the consequences of their actions on a young man who has done nothing wrong but be a rascal.

[dejavoodoo44]

+1

I don’t like Collingwood but this is teenager who grew up watching Joel Selwood. I can’t help thinking that this is how it began for Adam Goodes, with ignorant people following along like sheep and only considering themselves and overlooking the consequences of their actions on a young man who has done nothing wrong but be a rascal.

Once again, comparing Goodes is entirely false equivalence. Adam was the victim of a racist agenda, largely pushed by high profile, right wing media types. Ginnivan is a victim of his own flagrant staging.

[graemed]

Sydney vs Collingwood Match Thread

Further to some of the comments about the actions that he is persecuted for, if we are being honest we need to realize that Errol and Tom Papley are expert exponents of the same loophole. The main difference is that they haven’t had the arrogance/naïveté to assume there would not be a backlash if they were honest about their intent.

[graemed]

Once again, comparing Goodes is entirely false equivalence. Adam was the victim of a racist agenda, largely pushed by high profile, right wing media types. Ginnivan is a victim of his own flagrant staging.

I am not suggesting that there a direct correlation rather I am annoyed that sections of the crowd feel the need to persecute a stranger for no good reason.

[Faunac8]

Nope, he is a teenager that the media has made the poster boy for ducking/dropping for free kicks. There a many footballers across the league that do the same thing. Jack doesn't deserve to be booed when sitting on the bench injured.

I agree the free kick was there every day of the week and deserved to be paid.
Booing an injured player is not a good look.
Some people like to say well what about Adam he was booed by supporters everywhere but forget that the justification offered up by many was that he staged for free kicks and so that was why he was targeted which does sound familiar ?
Now I don’t think for one minute that was the only reason Adam was victimised by a large number of opposition supporters but it was without a doubt a commonly held perception at the time.
I still believe that initially his being booed by many supporters was the staging perception.
Unfortunately this morphed into a distinct racial angle after his calling out racial abuse during the Collingwood game during indigenous round in 2013.
There was without doubt a racial angle at play prior to this and I remember being at games where the expression cheating black …. was thrown around freely.
From then on it had nasty undertones and was without doubt a shameful period in the history of the game.
Getting back to my initial point I am the first one to boo a poor umpire decision or a player who has committed a flagrant foul action against one of the players on the team that I support, however booing or jeering any player based simply on perception is pretty poor and I think we need to be aware of the potential impact it has on young mens mental well-being.

[Kafka's Ghost]

Changing the subject entirely, this is a nice article regarding Ryan Clarke.

Sydney Swans midfielder Ryan Clarke enjoying career resurgence after spending most of past two years in the twos


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[Faunac8]

Changing the subject entirely, this is a nice article regarding Ryan Clarke.

Sydney Swans midfielder Ryan Clarke enjoying career resurgence after spending most of past two years in the twos


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There are a few other articles about him and others on the site here
Swans chat Sydney Swans in the media - let us know if you see anything interesting

[dejavoodoo44]

I agree the free kick was there every day of the week and deserved to be paid.
Booing an injured player is not a good look.
Some people like to say well what about Adam he was booed by supporters everywhere but forget that the justification offered up by many was that he staged for free kicks and so that was why he was targeted which does sound familiar ?
Now I don’t think for one minute that was the only reason Adam was victimised by a large number of opposition supporters but it was without a doubt a commonly held perception at the time.
I still believe that initially his being booed by many supporters was the staging perception.
Unfortunately this morphed into a distinct racial angle after his calling out racial abuse during the Collingwood game during indigenous round in 2013.
There was without doubt a racial angle at play prior to this and I remember being at games where the expression cheating black …. was thrown around freely.
From then on it had nasty undertones and was without doubt a shameful period in the history of the game.
Getting back to my initial point I am the first one to boo a poor umpire decision or a player who has committed a flagrant foul action against one of the players on the team that I support, however booing or jeering any player based simply on perception is pretty poor and I think we need to be aware of the potential impact it has on young mens mental well-being.

There may have been a perception, but there was little or no reality behind that perception. It was more a, "I'm not racist, but" excuse, to pretend that race and politics weren't behind it. I actually remember at the time, wondering why people were going on about Goodesy staging, as I was unaware of any staging that he was doing. So I did YouTube and Google searches, to see if I could find any evidence. Of course, they drew a blank. And in the course of the extended and interminable online debates at the time, when the staging was mentioned by people attempting to justify their campaign, I often asked them to provide evidence or point to any specific incident. Unsurprisingly, they were never able to do that.
So, yes, there was a perception, but that perception appeared to be almost entirely the result of widespread weasel words.

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I am not suggesting that there a direct correlation rather I am annoyed that sections of the crowd feel the need to persecute a stranger for no good reason.

It's not persecution. It's justified negative feedback, that will hopefully modify his poor behaviour.

[monopoly19]

It's not persecution. It's justified negative feedback, that will hopefully modify his poor behaviour.

What poor behaviour did he exhibit in our match?

[dejavoodoo44]

What poor behaviour did he exhibit in our match?

That would be the staging for the free that was given against Paddy. Some are saying that it was justified, but I view it as more of a classic Selwood slump. That is, after rising with the ball, he immediately lowered his body when Paddy went for the tackle, pushed the arms up, to move contact from around forearm to head, then accentuated the seemingly minimal contact. If I remember rightly, Paddy's arm was about his own hip level, and by the look on his face, he seemed to think that he had been conned.

Of course, it may have been an entirely legitimate free, but since the AFL has given a directive to the umpires, to be aware of that method of milking frees, largely because Ginnivan ( and others) was exploiting it so often earlier in the season, I and many others, are not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Faunac8]

I love the fact that at almost 60 years of age I can still learn.
My latest learning is that I have been using the word perception wrong for so many years
The definition of perception is the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
That sounds like me to be evidence based rather than what my original belief in that it was influenced by the common consensus.
In fact what I probably should have referenced was an actual antonym of the word namely misconception.
So for the purposes of my previous posts please substitute misconception for perception.
My opinions however remain unchanged.

[Agent 86]

Nope, he is a teenager that the media has made the poster boy for ducking/dropping for free kicks. There a many footballers across the league that do the same thing. Jack doesn't deserve to be booed when sitting on the bench injured.

Yes. He’s a kid. It’s not acceptable.

One thing I’ve noticed, McRae has backed him and basically said it’s a good thing if he gets a free kick. It makes me wonder if their coaching panel have encouraged it somewhat (disclaimer: just surmising here) - which I’d like to think isn’t the case.

I have also noticed one of our young guns has removed this behaviour from his repertoire lately. Could just be me… but I haven’t seen it so much.