Hawthorn racism review

[Bloods05]

What I am saying is you can't have a judgement without both sides and if the Indigenous people do not participate then there is no chance of that. Secondly, the AFL lawyers should get the @@@@ out of this process if it is going to be independent. But they have not. Everything has to be reviewed by them before they either allow or reject evidence. That is crap. Where is the independence there?

The other thing is the terms of reference make it unsafe for the people making the claims. They have no protections in place. Only for the respondents, Clarko & Co. The lawyers for the girl who was allegedly forced to abort were very strong in their arguments that the Process is totally unfair and unsafe. They also tore stripes off the AFL for calling it an independent inquiry when the AFL has total control of the process.

If they want an independent inquiry why not let an independent tribunal run the process not an AFL appointed tribunal

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Precisely. The AFL's first instinct is always to protect themselves.

[bloodspirit]

This is old news but I didn't see it when it was fresh: Fresh allegations of Alastair Clarkson's behaviour emerge, involve Hawthorn great Sam Mitchell - AFL News - Zero Hanger.

[Maltopia]

Article outlining that the author of the Hawthorn review is under non-disclosure agreement that the AFL will not indemnify.

This means Hawthorn are holding the author to the clause and have the option/threat to sue the author if he talks to the AFL created panel.

Wow, make of that what you will.

AFL wife ends silence as ‘fatal flaw’ emerges

[stevoswan]

Article outlining that the author of the Hawthorn review is under non-disclosure agreement that the AFL will not indemnify.

This means Hawthorn are holding the author to the clause and have the option/threat to sue the author if he talks to the AFL created panel.

Wow, make of that what you will.

AFL wife ends silence as ‘fatal flaw’ emerges

The end of that report seems to indicate that the AFL are not serious about holding Hawthorn to any account whatsoever. That's extremely disappointing and basically makes a mockery of this 'investigation'.

Are we to assume that the league does have a copy of Egan's full report though?

[WomblingFree]

The end of that report seems to indicate that the AFL are not serious about holding Hawthorn to any account whatsoever. That's extremely disappointing and basically makes a mockery of this 'investigation'.

Are we to assume that the league does have a copy of Egan's full report though?

This is straight out of the AFL crisis management playbook. Exactly what we expected but disappointing nonetheless

[Mel_C]

This is straight out of the AFL crisis management playbook. Exactly what we expected but disappointing nonetheless

Yes not a surprise at all.
How can there be a proper investigation without all the details?

[Maltopia]

They would have Eagan’s report.

But Egan risks being sued/fined if he testifies to explain his conclusions, or what else he heard but didn’t put in the report, or how Hawthorn reacted to early draft etc.

[Velour&Ruffles]

This is old news but I didn't see it when it was fresh: Fresh allegations of Alastair Clarkson's behaviour emerge, involve Hawthorn great Sam Mitchell - AFL News - Zero Hanger.

This belongs in the Hawthorn Racism Review thread. It seems quite relevant to the issue of whether the removal of mobile phones from players was racial discrimination.

[bloodspirit]

This belongs in the Hawthorn Racism Review thread. It seems quite relevant to the issue of whether the removal of mobile phones from players was racial discrimination.

It may be relevant to that too but it is a distinct issue. Feel free to re-post in the other thread too.

[Velour&Ruffles]

It may be relevant to that too but it is a distinct issue. Feel free to re-post in the other thread too.

As to re-posting, I have no idea how to do that and thought it was the mods' job anyway. But I freely admit to being a technological idiot.

As to "may be relevant", it's the same allegation occurring at the same time. Having a hard time seeing how it could anything other than relevant.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Is this the "It's not rascist if I abuse all of my players" defence?

[giant]

What ever became of the Swans review that Micky O was meant to be leading? Never heard anything further.

[bloodspirit]

What ever became of the Swans review that Micky O was meant to be leading? Never heard anything further.

Excellent question! Hopefully someone asks at the AGM. Incidentally I don't think that it wasn't a review - rather a sub-committee to consider whether we should have a similar review. Is that right?

[Velour&Ruffles]

Is this the "It's not rascist if I abuse all of my players" defence?

If you remove mobile phones from both white players (and a white club superstar to be precise) and indigenous players then that suggests the removal of mobile phones from the indigenous players was not racially motivated.

It may have a greater impact somehow on indigenous players and constitute indirect (as opposed to direct) discrimination, but anyone who suggests it isn't at least a relevant point to consider either doesn't understand discrimination law or has a preconceived view that they aren't willing to test.

[Maltopia]

If you remove mobile phones from both white players (and a white club superstar to be precise) and indigenous players then that suggests the removal of mobile phones from the indigenous players was not racially motivated.

It may have a greater impact somehow on indigenous players and constitute indirect (as opposed to direct) discrimination, but anyone who suggests it isn't at least a relevant point to consider either doesn't understand discrimination law or has a preconceived view that they aren't willing to test.

This is simplistic sorry as you aren’t comparing apples with apples..

Eg the article re Mitchell suggests the mobiles were taken before matches and returned after each match.

It is alleged however, that two? Indigenous players had their SIM cards taken and replaced so their family didn’t know their new number and couldn’t even leave messages to be heard later.

I am assuming that the Indigenous players were also told not to give the new number to their family, which in one case, was a pregnant partner who had few supports.

Very different, sorry.