I'm not rushing to judgement about the allegations. My concern is that, once again, the AFL is failing to investigate thoroughly. This is not an independent process. Pure and simple. As always, the AFL has opted for a process they can control, so as to minimise damage to "the brand".
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Whilst none of the players have been named, it's not hard to work out who they are.
I imagine a player hooked on meth who stole to feed his addiction may have required intervention in his life that might have been more extreme than what would be considered normal, regardless of race
No doubt further details will come out once the respondents have their sayComment
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Whilst none of the players have been named, it's not hard to work out who they are.
I imagine a player hooked on meth who stole to feed his addiction may have required intervention in his life that might have been more extreme than what would be considered normal, regardless of race
No doubt further details will come out once the respondents have their sayComment
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Whilst none of the players have been named, it's not hard to work out who they are.
I imagine a player hooked on meth who stole to feed his addiction may have required intervention in his life that might have been more extreme than what would be considered normal, regardless of race
No doubt further details will come out once the respondents have their sayComment
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Whilst none of the players have been named, it's not hard to work out who they are.
I imagine a player hooked on meth who stole to feed his addiction may have required intervention in his life that might have been more extreme than what would be considered normal, regardless of race
No doubt further details will come out once the respondents have their say
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Wow, some people are quick to judge without listening to both sides of the story
If it comes out that the allegations are 100% true and as told, then great, throw the book at the guilty parties, but the reality is there's two sides to every story and I have no doubt that in this instance there will not only be conflicting versions, but also some perspective on some of the scenarios.
I might be naive, but I find it difficult to believe that Clarkson and the co accused would perpetrate such cruel actions without a) this story getting out years ago and b) countless other players/administrators/club volunteers etc. coming forward with similar stories about their conduct given they have all been in the AFL system for years.
I'm not discounting the accusations; I just won't rush to judge without hearing all of the facts.Comment
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I don't think it's much of a reach.
However if we want to speculate, do we think the AFL has leaked the name and encouraged media to republish this old news as payback for the familydecliningto participatein the investigation andinstead critiquingits alleged shortcomings?
While I'm well aware the AFL haven't been formally advised who the players involved are, I'd be surprised if they haven't figured it out.
Also agree that however well intentioned the alleged interventions may have been they were still wrong.
My view is that a lot of the problems with the whole investigation and review relate to the desire by some (not the affected players and their families, mind) to punish the "culprits". I think it would be much better for all involved to simply review these episodes as a learning experience and educational tool, not to punish. That way it wouldn't all have to be adversarial, leading to defensive postures and a battle of proof. If the players or family members want redress or compensation, let them go to the courts.
The problem is that the AFL can't be seen to be doing nothing if it appears that the complaints are true. But personally I think that doing nothing except learning and trying to ensure nothing similar happens again would be the best thing the AFL could do. Incidentally, I don't entirely blame the AFL for this.All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)Comment
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All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)Comment
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This has the AFL's fingerprints all over it. They have plenty of compliant friends in what passes for the football "media".Comment
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The article might be fact but concluding that Garlett is one of the players involved in the Hawthorn review is speculation. That's what I meant.
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Yeah, I thought that too.....it's weird.Comment
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I actually think the original article was great journalism regarding an absolutely newsworthy matter.....and remember, both Clarkson and Fagen were given plenty of time to respond to it, which would have made it seem less 'unfair'....but they chose not to respond and that's on them, not the ABC.Comment
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Wow, some people are quick to judge without listening to both sides of the story
If it comes out that the allegations are 100% true and as told, then great, throw the book at the guilty parties, but the reality is there's two sides to every story and I have no doubt that in this instance there will not only be conflicting versions, but also some perspective on some of the scenarios.
I might be naive, but I find it difficult to believe that Clarkson and the co accused would perpetrate such cruel actions without a) this story getting out years ago and b) countless other players/administrators/club volunteers etc. coming forward with similar stories about their conduct given they have all been in the AFL system for years.
I'm not discounting the accusations; I just won't rush to judge without hearing all of the facts.
The other thing is the terms of reference make it unsafe for the people making the claims. They have no protections in place. Only for the respondents, Clarko & Co. The lawyers for the girl who was allegedly forced to abort were very strong in their arguments that the Process is totally unfair and unsafe. They also tore stripes off the AFL for calling it an independent inquiry when the AFL has total control of the process.
If they want an independent inquiry why not let an independent tribunal run the process not an AFL appointed tribunal
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