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  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    Originally posted by Mark26
    If Stephens did go to North, what would he be worth? Could he be used to get someone like McKay?

    Alternatively, what would he be worth to NM in straight draft picks? They have picks 2, 15, 39 etc. Surely pick 15 might come into consideration as we used pick 5 on him.
    We only got a pick in the teens for Dawson when he left. We’d be lucky to get something in the 20s.

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    • waswan
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2015
      • 2047

      What would we give for Paddy Dow ?
      Stephens gets us about 1/3 of that

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      • Roadrunner
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2018
        • 1481

        Originally posted by Mark26
        If Stephens did go to North, what would he be worth? Could he be used to get someone like McKay?

        Alternatively, what would he be worth to NM in straight draft picks? They have picks 2, 15, 39 etc. Surely pick 15 might come into consideration as we used pick 5 on him.
        Stephens for Mackay or Sheezel. Plus we’d throw in Clarke to sweeten the deal!????

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        • barry
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          From what I understand from GWS, is they could ride out Hayes pay next year, but it won't allow them to go after anyone at trade time. So they aren't desperate like GC were with Bowes.
          However, definitely open to a deal especially with HH taking over Haynes role in the last couple of years.

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          • Thunder Shaker
            Aut vincere aut mori
            • Apr 2004
            • 4202

            Originally posted by Mark26
            If Stephens did go to North, what would he be worth? Could he be used to get someone like McKay?

            Alternatively, what would he be worth to NM in straight draft picks? They have picks 2, 15, 39 etc. Surely pick 15 might come into consideration as we used pick 5 on him.
            I'm writing hypothetically here...

            The draft appears to have 11 players rated significantly above the rest, so pick 15 may be on the table for the right price.

            Assuming West Coast retains pick 1, pick 15 would be tradeable. I would expect a discussion on trading Stephens to start with pick 15 and then go from there. North currently lack a second-round pick in this year's draft so that is not an option.

            In addition to pick 15, a swap of later picks may get the deal done. How it would go would be if 15 is considered to be overs or unders. If it's overs, 15 and 39 for Stephens and 28 may be enough (points value around pick 22). If 15 is unders, 15 and 39 for Stephens may be the limit (points value around pick 8). I consider such a trade to be unlikely.

            Another possibility could be North's future second-round pick. If North finish last next year, that pick would be valuable.

            We used pick 5 to draft him, but that is irrelevant - it's what we would get in a trade that matters.
            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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            • waswan
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2015
              • 2047

              we get a 3rd round upgrade if we are lucky or he goes to them in pre season draft

              uncontracted, rarely played....we have no pull in this one

              - - - Updated - - -

              Rohan got us pick 61

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              • Dow
                Regular in the Side
                • Sep 2022
                • 840

                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                I'm writing hypothetically here...

                The draft appears to have 11 players rated significantly above the rest, so pick 15 may be on the table for the right price.

                Assuming West Coast retains pick 1, pick 15 would be tradeable. I would expect a discussion on trading Stephens to start with pick 15 and then go from there. North currently lack a second-round pick in this year's draft so that is not an option.

                In addition to pick 15, a swap of later picks may get the deal done. How it would go would be if 15 is considered to be overs or unders. If it's overs, 15 and 39 for Stephens and 28 may be enough (points value around pick 22). If 15 is unders, 15 and 39 for Stephens may be the limit (points value around pick 8). I consider such a trade to be unlikely.

                Another possibility could be North's future second-round pick. If North finish last next year, that pick would be valuable.

                We used pick 5 to draft him, but that is irrelevant - it's what we would get in a trade that matters.
                Why wouldn’t he just nominate for the recycled player draft and take him for nothing ? That seems more logical to me.

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                • sharp9
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2508

                  But wait, surely we took Caleb Serong with Pick 6 in the 2019 draft. Yea the legendary CURSED pick 6 which hath never delivers a champion player. ????
                  "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                  • BRS328
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Feb 2018
                    • 356

                    5th round draft pick and that would be generous

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                    • Roadrunner
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 1481

                      Originally posted by BRS328
                      5th round draft pick and that would be generous
                      No, we’ll keep him as our permanent sub????

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                      • BRS328
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Feb 2018
                        • 356

                        I need to make a correction. My 5th round pick was for Paddy Dow, not Stephens. I rate Stephens and would be reluctant to loose him. He gave us a glimpse in the last quarter last week. My apologies

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                        • Mark26
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 1535

                          I get the feeling that if Stephen goes, then pick 15 should be around the money or if we can use him to get Mackay, then that softens the loss.

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                          • waswan
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 2047

                            Originally posted by Mark26
                            I get the feeling that if Stephen goes, then pick 15 should be around the money or if we can use him to get Mackay, then that softens the loss.
                            If I were you id go on holiday during trade period

                            Anything more than a 3rd round pick and id be staggered

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                            • Auntie.Gerald
                              Veterans List
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6480

                              Pick for Stephen’s would be trade of the decade or in the top10 anyway

                              If take it if it meant to can trade what we really really really need to be a top4 team in 2024 and rightfully so given the list bar a couple chess pieces

                              Otherwise ……if not possible ….If we have a couple injuries to BJ and or Jmac and or Gulden then keeping Stephen’s would be very very handy …….. and as we all know he is at that age and experience where lucks a fortune and he make double down and find himself in the best 22 more often.
                              "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                My feeling is that the AFL will hand over pick 3 compo for McKay to NM in lieu of a priority pick for being so bad. If so, then NM would be happy to let him go as a FA and not match a bid for him.

                                I hope Stephens has a good game Saturday and can hold a spot in the side, which should increase his trade value. Right now, we would be very lucky to get a 2nd rounder. I can't see him improving enough for us to want to keep him, but I hope he gives it a shot.

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