2023 List Management

[giant]

Great analysis as always Liz.
I do think Papley is a good "first receiver" option (probably our best actually - last weekend had a couple of great examples), but I also think he has more value elsewhere. And that's certainly true of Gulden too - very capable, but I want him running a bit freer and using his laser boot capabilities to their maximum. We do need to find someone to fill this deficiency. Hopefully Sheldrick can oblige, and Rowbottom's continued development is very encouraging.

Heard somewhere that Paps attended 70+% of centre bounces on the weekend which is surely the most for his career.

[waswan]

JPK was shifted out of the midfield because the coaches believed they could cope without his presence (and as you observe we did) and footspeed was an issue.
This year our midfield has not been coping as well.
A big bodied midfielder is a common suggestion for the difference, but I think the difference may be somewhat taller. Last season we got 27 games from our two ruckmen, this year we got 18 - and several where neither played.

I believe the 27 vs 18 games from the 2 ruckmen is the biggest issue with our midfield, add to that the level Hickey was playing at last year and its magnified

[MattW]

Heard somewhere that Paps attended 70+% of centre bounces on the weekend which is surely the most for his career.

Yeah, there were 33 centre bounces.

Parker was a little more efficient in winning the centre clearance on Saturday, but Papley's move in there over the last few weeks has been important.

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[Nico]

I believe the 27 vs 18 games from the 2 ruckmen is the biggest issue with our midfield, add to that the level Hickey was playing at last year and its magnified

Mate, we were just as crap at the centre bounces last year. The problem is our mids don't read the play from the ruck contests. Papley at centre bounces 70% of the time last week. Wow, how long did the coaches take to wake up to that one.

[waswan]

Mate, we were just as crap at the centre bounces last year. The problem is our mids don't read the play from the ruck contests. Papley at centre bounces 70% of the time last week. Wow, how long did the coaches take to wake up to that one.

GF aside, we won more clearance stats then we lost in the back half of last year and when we did lose it was negligible

[Nico]

GF aside, we won more clearance stats then we lost in the back half of last year and when we did lose it was negligible

Is that centre clearance stats?

[waswan]

Is that centre clearance stats?

Yep

[Aaron]

How Swans' dual threats add intrigue to future plans - a good analysis by Riley Beveridge of AFL assessing Sydney's midfield players who have continued to show their wares in multiple positions.


While "Sydney still ranks second-last this season for clearance differential it hasn't necessarily been detrimental to Sydney's now rapidly improving finals chances" as our midfielders are "so adept at switching out of their primary onball roles and into secondary positions." He quotes "Champion Data has noticed a trend among the Swans' chief midfield ball-winners. Even though they spend less time in other positions, they often perform better in those roles."...

[ugg]

GF aside, we won more clearance stats then we lost in the back half of last year and when we did lose it was negligible

Actually according to the stats, we won the clearances on GF day 37-33. Also won centre clearances 14-13. What it doesn't show is how clean their clearances were and how scrappy most of ours were.https://afltables.com/afl/stats/game...620220924.html

[waswan]

Actually according to the stats, we won the clearances on GF day 37-33. Also won centre clearances 14-13. What it doesn't show is how clean their clearances were and how scrappy most of ours were.https://afltables.com/afl/stats/game...620220924.html

To be honest i couldnt bring myself to look at GF stats, clearly it meant nothing

Did look at other games on the way in though

[Ludwig]

That we are shuffling around midfielders is indicative that we are very much unsettled at how we handle the stoppages, particularly centre bounces. Sheldrick and Roberts are also coming into to the mix. The instability in our ruck situation adds to the problem of finding a setup that works better.

I think we have the players to do the job in the midfield. In fact, we have one of the deepest midfields in the league. A lot of the burden fall on the coaches to work our a solution. I don't know why the ball seems to find opposition players so often at centre bounces, often without a Swan around to challenge. It's hard to analyze, because the ball seems to be bouncing around randomly, yet finding its way to the opposition more often than not. This is probably due to noticing more when we lose possession than when we win.

In the end, I suspect we need to find a better system rather than new players. I can't see any of our usual mids going out of the side, while several are challenging for spots in the 22. It's not the environment where you want to bring in another contender for a midfield spot.

[waswan]

That we are shuffling around midfielders is indicative that we are very much unsettled at how we handle the stoppages, particularly centre bounces. Sheldrick and Roberts are also coming into to the mix. The instability in our ruck situation adds to the problem of finding a setup that works better.

I think we have the players to do the job in the midfield. In fact, we have one of the deepest midfields in the league. A lot of the burden fall on the coaches to work our a solution. I don't know why the ball seems to find opposition players so often at centre bounces, often without a Swan around to challenge. It's hard to analyze, because the ball seems to be bouncing around randomly, yet finding its way to the opposition more often than not. This is probably due to noticing more when we lose possession than when we win.

In the end, I suspect we need to find a better system rather than new players. I can't see any of our usual mids going out of the side, while several are challenging for spots in the 22. It's not the environment where you want to bring in another contender for a midfield spot.

I agree its method not personnel, the ruck situation obviously isnt helping but not the main issue.

Its glaring how teams run 3and 4 deep, unopposed out of clearances against us

[Maltopia]

Gettable Show on AFL website:

- Twomey’s Phantom Form Guide has Sullivan at 10, but could come into top 8. Cleary not in top 25, but mentioned as being in top 30.

- Beatson was on:

Talked about rugby challenge (taking up potential NSW players without needing a draft)

Stephens has had a contract offer before home for most of the year, but hasn’t accepted yet as he and his team wanted more clarity re where he sits in the team.
Beatson says he is a wanted player.

McLean they have to have re-signed within the week.

They are in market for another key defender. Arnold still has some development to go.

Did not have any contract offer for TDK at all. Are tracking Ben McKay.

Prepared to trade first round pick for a player.

Prepared to trade for Gold Coast’s pick.

Be mad not to consider Grundy.

Not that focused on international (eg Irish) players as Cat B Rookies provide enough flexibility.

His best slider pick was Luke Parker. Almartey may become that in the future.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/1010031/gettable-wanted-swan-to-shun-rivals-saints-six-on-market-clubs-eye-four-pies?videoId=1010031&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1692158294001

[Nico]

Actually according to the stats, we won the clearances on GF day 37-33. Also won centre clearances 14-13. What it doesn't show is how clean their clearances were and how scrappy most of ours were.https://afltables.com/afl/stats/game...620220924.html

That has been my argument for a few years. Clean centre clearances are not our strong suit. Papley excepted.

[Blood Fever]

Gettable Show on AFL website:

- Twomey’s Phantom Form Guide has Sullivan at 10, but could come into top 8. Cleary not in top 25, but mentioned as being in top 30.

- Beatson was on:

Talked about rugby challenge (taking up potential NSW players without needing a draft)

Stephens has had a contract offer before home for most of the year, but hasn’t accepted yet as he and his team wanted more clarity re where he sits in the team.
Beatson says he is a wanted player.

McLean they have to have re-signed within the week.

They are in market for another key defender. Arnold still has some development to go.

Did not have any contract offer for TDK at all. Are tracking Ben McKay.

Prepared to trade first round pick for a player.

Prepared to trade for Gold Coast’s pick.

Be mad not to consider Grundy.

Not that focused on international (eg Irish) players as Cat B Rookies provide enough flexibility.

His best slider pick was Luke Parker. Almartey may become that in the future.

GETTABLE: Wanted Swan to shun rivals, Saints' six on market, clubs eye four Pies

Do you mean Mclean will be resigned this week?