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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11339

    Originally posted by barry
    2011: 3 trade (Armstrong, Morton, Walsh) -- Dud, GF hero, Dud
    2012: none
    2013: 1 RFA (Franklin), 2 DFA (Derickx, Laidler) -- Legend, Dud, ok
    2014: none
    2015: 2 trade (Sinclair, Talia) - Ok, Dud
    2016: none
    2017: none
    2018: 2 trade (Clarke, Thurlow), 1 DFA (Menzel), Dud, Dud, Dud
    2019: 1 trade (Taylor), 2 DFA (Brand, Gray) - Dud, dud, Dud
    2020: 1 trade (Hickey) - Good
    2021: 1 trade (Ladhams) - ok
    2022: 1 trade (Francis) - ok


    So I make that 1 legend, 1 worth it for a flag, 1 good, 4 ok, and the rest (ten!) were complete nuffies/duds.

    We turned a few journey-men into stars before this, and havent been able to do it again. New strategy required.
    Morton proved about the best value from that list. Played the game of his life in the 2012 GF. Outside of Buddy that is.
    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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    • Mark26
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2017
      • 1535

      Originally posted by mcs
      Gee I'd love to have the TPP benefits Geelong can deliver, so to allow it to offer money like that.

      HH should remain our no 1 target in my opinion over TDK.

      Sent from my CPH2307 using Tapatalk
      Why should we have to choose? The Cats and Blues and Lions have room for absolutely everyone. Bring them both in I say!

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      • Thunder Shaker
        Aut vincere aut mori
        • Apr 2004
        • 4205

        Originally posted by Mark26
        Why should we have to choose? The Cats and Blues and Lions have room for absolutely everyone. Bring them both in I say!
        Geelong's salary sombrero is well known here. Perhaps Carlton and Brisbane have acquired magic expanding hats of their own?
        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4205

          Originally posted by barry
          2011: 3 trade (Armstrong, Morton, Walsh) -- Dud, GF hero, Dud
          2012: none
          2013: 1 RFA (Franklin), 2 DFA (Derickx, Laidler) -- Legend, Dud, ok
          2014: none
          2015: 2 trade (Sinclair, Talia) - Ok, Dud
          2016: none
          2017: none
          2018: 2 trade (Clarke, Thurlow), 1 DFA (Menzel), Dud, Dud, Dud
          2019: 1 trade (Taylor), 2 DFA (Brand, Gray) - Dud, dud, Dud
          2020: 1 trade (Hickey) - Good
          2021: 1 trade (Ladhams) - ok
          2022: 1 trade (Francis) - ok

          So I make that 1 legend, 1 worth it for a flag, 1 good, 4 ok, and the rest (ten!) were complete nuffies/duds.
          I wasn't going to post judgements on each player, just the player list. I felt that the list made the point on its own without comment.

          You've concisely shown what's been wrong with our trades. Even Morton, who played one decent game in a Grand Final, only played 12 games for Sydney over two seasons. Many players we've acquired in trades in the last 10 years played fewer games than that.

          Originally posted by barry
          We turned a few journey-men into stars before this, and havent been able to do it again. New strategy required.
          What's also worth remarking on is the players we've lost to trades to other clubs. We've lost players of better quality than we've got in return. If it wasn't for Franklin - who was a free agent, not a trade - the outgoing players we had to trade out were better overall than the players we got back.

          We've used a first-round pick in more consecutive drafts than any other club. The last time we did not use a first-round pick was in the 2005 draft.

          This is why I find it interesting that we could be trading aggressively this year. Perhaps we could lure a really good player from another club for a first-round pick, something we've not managed to do for over a decade.
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • Roadrunner
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2018
            • 1481

            Originally posted by Mark26
            Why should we have to choose? The Cats and Blues and Lions have room for absolutely everyone. Bring them both in I say!
            You can add a few more to that list Mark! We on the other hand are handcuffed by playing by the rules. What on earth are we thinking- if we can get one top player then we’re fiddling the books????

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            • jono2707
              Goes up to 11
              • Oct 2007
              • 3326

              TDK is rubbish. Hopefully any chatter about being interested in him is just to divert attention from whoever we're after. And pretty much anyone else would be a better option than him.

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              • Mark26
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2017
                • 1535

                Originally posted by Roadrunner
                You can add a few more to that list Mark! We on the other hand are handcuffed by playing by the rules. What on earth are we thinking- if we can get one top player then we’re fiddling the books????
                We should add Barrass to our haul of TDK and HH, and get West Coast to throw in their first rounder to sweeten the deal. The A/VFL leadership would surely endorse it.

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                • Auntie.Gerald
                  Veterans List
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6480

                  They are great points TS

                  I wonder why we have struggled so much to attract players to the Swans via trades ?

                  Secondly why have we been so unsuccessful in finding players via trades that would flourish?
                  "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                  • Markwebbos
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 7186

                    After Buddy we had a trading ban and a bulging salary cap that stopped us going after an A lister. Plus we chose to take our picks to the draft.

                    That may all be about to change

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                    • Maltopia
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 1556

                      Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                      They are great points TS

                      I wonder why we have struggled so much to attract players to the Swans via trades ?

                      Secondly why have we been so unsuccessful in finding players via trades that would flourish?
                      For many years we were labelled as playing ugly negative football might be one factor. Then we have had salary cap problems hence the loss of Aliir and Hewett. We even gave Hanners away for very little.

                      North did a number on us by offering Heeney huge dollars that we matched and although he has had an All Australian Year and a strong year before that, he hasn’t been worth the huge dollars he was on.

                      The really good ones we have lost (though some we didn’t know would be really good at the time) include:

                      Mumford
                      Malceski
                      Membrey
                      Aliir Aliir
                      Cameron
                      Nankervis
                      Hewitt
                      Tom Mitchell
                      Dawson
                      Jetta
                      Hanners
                      Jolly

                      What a list!

                      Plus some ok ones:

                      Rohan
                      Newman
                      Zac Jones
                      Andrejs Everitt
                      Bird

                      Must have missed some from the last 10-12 years that others might mention.

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                      • BRS328
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Feb 2018
                        • 356

                        I think you may have got this one wrong. Listed players are full time professionals. Reserve list players are part time and no where near the fitness level of full time listed players.
                        You only had to see how Buller struggled last week. You need to give them time to adjust.

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                        • Roadrunner
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 1481

                          Originally posted by BRS328
                          I think you may have got this one wrong. Listed players are full time professionals. Reserve list players are part time and no where near the fitness level of full time listed players.
                          You only had to see how Buller struggled last week. You need to give them time to adjust.
                          Huge gap for sure. But if you have a strong VFL team like the Lions have, you can exert pressure on the firsts- which is something we struggle with atm, coupled with all the injuries. We need a few players knocking on the door!

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                          • Thunder Shaker
                            Aut vincere aut mori
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4205

                            Twomey offers update on the six unsigned free agents (sen.com.au)
                            The players named are: "Essendon pair Darcy Parish and Mason Redman, Adelaide’s Tom Doedee, GWS’ Harry Himmelberg, North Melbourne’s Ben McKay and St Kilda’s Jade Gresham".

                            It is mentioned in the article that we are interested in McKay (North Melbourne), and Himmelberg has been offered a five-year deal to remain at the Giants.
                            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                            • rojo
                              Opti-pessi-misti
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 1103

                              Why don't we hold off going after players like McKay this draft, instead next year invest game time in the players we already have eg Amartey, McLean, McDonald and also Buller. Find out or get a clearer idea as to which of them are stars for the making and which two could synergise and become focal points in our forward line of the future. We have a couple of years for the rest of the team to mature anyway.

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                              • i'm-uninformed2
                                Reefer Madness
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 4653

                                My issue with Ben McKay is his injury history. I don't doubt for a second he can seriously play and would be a terrific, big-bodied, strong-marking key defender that we could set and forget on if he was at his regular best. But he's played one full season - and missed some games again at the start of this year. A questionable proposition for the inevitable price.
                                'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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