2023 List Management

[i'm-uninformed2]

Reid has lost 2 years due to surgical removal of his plantaris tendon in each calf, so we don't have to worry about a recurrence of that injury.

We may just have to wait until September for a prognosis on his current rehab. On ability, we would want to keep him. It's just a matter of what the injury risk is. It also may depend on how it fits with the rest of our KPP status, which remains a mystery at this time.


Just to spice up the conversation, I thought I would put up my current preliminary outgoings list (retirements, trades, delistings). I figure we will cut 7 or 8, so I will list my top 8. We need to cover the 2 mid season draftees just to get even on list size, so 7 cuts means 5 new players.

1. Franklin
2. P. McCartin
3. Owen
4. Edwards
5. Stephens
6. Clarke
7. Wicks
8. Gould

Rankin was on the list until this past weekend when he played so well tagging Ginnivan. He keeps improving, so hard to cut.

Based on the level of improvement he has shown - whilst still recognising the ground he's yet to make up - I'd be keeping Edwards over Reid, if that was the choice. Our list priorities need to built around trying to find the next flag list. Edwards may or may not get there, but he seems worth perservering with.

[rb4x]

I would keep Stephens and Clarke ahead of Reid and HHK.

[Ludwig]

I would keep Stephens and Clarke ahead of Reid and HHK.

How I rated these players:

Reid is a wait pending further information, so is not ranked along with other players.

HHK is my highest rated VFL player, i.e. the one most likely to make it as an AFL player.

It's hard to see where Stephens fits into our side. Has a lot of tools, but is simply ineffective as a player. After 4 years, I can't see where the improvement comes from, since it's a mental thing, not a physical one. He might have some trade value. A spark could go off in his head and he could become an elite midfielder, but how long do we have to wait. I would rather leave the spot to someone like Rankin, who has less talent,but keeps improving.

I like Clarke, but will never be a best 22 player. With so many kids coming up through the ranks, he will be squeezed out of his fill in roles. I would love for him to stay in our VFL side.

[bandwagon]

Owens and Edwards are KP players in their first year with the Swans, so as long as they have shown signs of improvement I expect they will be given another year.
We might also lose a player or two through trades - for example Amartey or McLean might be in demand.

[Ludwig]

Owens and Edwards are KP players in their first year with the Swans, so as long as they have shown signs of improvement I expect they will be given another year.
We might also lose a player or two through trades - for example Amartey or McLean might be in demand.

With an unlimited list size, I would keep Owen and Edwards as well. This exercise can't be done by projecting the loss of players that the club would want to keep. I don't think the club will let go of Amartey or McLean.

Melican if a free agent and might leave for the right offer. So he could be an out, but I can't project that at this time. With our current need for key defenders, I think we will try to keep Melican if we believe he will be fit to play more often than not. The key defender mix will be a hard call until the end of the season.

I figure that we need to create 7 spots:

1. Arnold
2. Buller
3. Trade in (like Himmelberg)
4. Cat B rookie (Cleary or May)
5. ND 1st round pick
6. ND 2nd round pick
7. ND 2nd round pick from Hawthorn

Different assumptions will produce different results.

I'm happy to hear how others see our approach to the post season.

[rb4x]

Can't see Sheather getting another year. Has talent but injury record worse than Reid..

[AB Swannie]

I figure that we need to create 7 spots:

1. Arnold
2. Buller
3. Trade in (like Himmelberg)
4. Cat B rookie (Cleary or May)
5. ND 1st round pick
6. ND 2nd round pick
7. ND 2nd round pick from Hawthorn

Different assumptions will produce different results.

I'm happy to hear how others see our approach to the post season.

Agree with this rough number. Losses could include:
1. Franklin
2. Gould
3. Hickey
4. P McCartin
5. Wicks/Sheather
6. Rankin
7. Surprise loss/trade (Reid/McLean/Stephens)

[Ludwig]

Can't see Sheather getting another year. Has talent but injury record worse than Reid..

You could well be right. I think the injury this year is a recurrence of his navicular injury from last year. Foot injuries are often career ending, so this could well be the case. So he's definitely on the injury watch list. We will have to wait for an update. If Sheather has to be delisted, I reluctantly think he take the place of Sam Wicks or we just might go for another draft pick.

[707]

Amartey party signed for a further three years to end 2026, he'll be a FA after that.

We keep locking them away :-)

[i'm-uninformed2]

Here's the yarn from AFL website re Amartey. And I'm glad we're also in talks with McLean. I know he has his limitations, but I can't help but like him, his endeavour, his improvement and we need solid citizen depth players like him. I've also said before - I reckon he'd be so coachable. I'm personally a fan.

Big Sydney Swan Joel Amartey celebrates career-best game with new contract

[Roadrunner]

Here's the yarn from AFL website re Amartey. And I'm glad we're also in talks with McLean. I know he has his limitations, but I can't help but like him, his endeavour, his improvement and we need solid citizen depth players like him. I've also said before - I reckon he'd be so coachable. I'm personally a fan.

Big Sydney Swan Joel Amartey celebrates career-best game with new contract

Agreed- McLean has improved a lot these last few games and we defo need to keep him. May not be a star but he’s more than handy and if he develops further may become a permanent in the team. Well done so far Hayden!

[crackedactor 01]

Agree with this rough number. Losses could include:
1. Franklin
2. Gould
3. Hickey
4. P McCartin
5. Wicks/Sheather
6. Rankin
7. Surprise loss/trade (Reid/McLean/Stephens)

Still not 100% convinced Arnold is up to AFL standard. Will have to wait and see.

[neilfws]

Here's the yarn from AFL website re Amartey. And I'm glad we're also in talks with McLean. I know he has his limitations, but I can't help but like him, his endeavour, his improvement and we need solid citizen depth players like him. I've also said before - I reckon he'd be so coachable. I'm personally a fan.

I'm very happy about Amartey. He's really come on this year, and bounced back from the injury layoff.

I like McLean too: as you say, a good solid hard-working player like many a Swan before him. Clunks marks, kicks straight, no-nonsense. He had a lot of involvement in the Eagles game, you'll see a few handballs and assists in the highlights video.

Two handy forwards and can both relief-ruck too, Amartey a little more so with the extra spring.

It's about the third time I've said it, but a highlight for me from the weekend was a real glimpse of how exciting the post-Buddy forward line could be - fingers crossed for keeping them all, and keeping them injury-free.

[Scottee]

You could well be right. I think the injury this year is a recurrence of his navicular injury from last year. Foot injuries are often career ending, so this could well be the case. So he's definitely on the injury watch list. We will have to wait for an update. If Sheather has to be delisted, I reluctantly think he take the place of Sam Wicks or we just might go for another draft pick.

I think the original injury was a fracture and that the current injury is a hot spot, so technically not a recurrence but perhaps a consequence of the original injury.The worry would be if it is the other foot and he has a biomechanical weakness on both sides.I hope he is alright because he looks a good prospect.

[The Big Cat]

Not sure where Stephens is, contract wise. Earlier in the year the media was saying he and others were in talks. Others seem to have signed. As yet, no Dyl.