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  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    Originally posted by 707
    Can anyone throw light on "Swans trade call" video on the AFL website? TIA
    I haven’t listened to the Gettable podcast yet. The answer will be in there.

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    • Kafka's Ghost
      Regular in the Side
      • Sep 2017
      • 899

      Originally posted by Markwebbos
      I haven’t listened to the Gettable podcast yet. The answer will be in there.
      Usual speculation regarding whether Sydney would give their first round pick plus a second round pick for Barass.


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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1818

        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        In light of the Harley Reid situation, Logan McDonald has spoken up about being drafted interstate and has this to say:

        “I’m so grateful that Sydney took me … I’ve loved every minute here, it’s been so much fun and I can’t wait to keep playing for this club for as long as I can. I do miss my family and friends but I love Sydney and the club have been so welcoming.”
        Good to hear!

        He was at our junior club this week with Nick Blakey, Matt Roberts and Lachie Rankin. They were all great with the kids but I thought Logan in particular seemed very relaxed and happy.

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        • 707
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2009
          • 6204

          Originally posted by Kafka's Ghost
          Usual speculation regarding whether Sydney would give their first round pick plus a second round pick for Barass.
          Thanks KG

          Our likely high first and a second! - are we trading for 28yo Barrass or young Nick Daicos?

          A lot of rubbish dribbles out of the media, how's those earlier in the season 6 years at $800k per season for TDK going?

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          • Thunder Shaker
            Aut vincere aut mori
            • Apr 2004
            • 4150

            Originally posted by 707
            Thanks KG

            Our likely high first and a second! - are we trading for 28yo Barrass or young Nick Daicos?

            A lot of rubbish dribbles out of the media, how's those earlier in the season 6 years at $800k per season for TDK going?
            Barrass is 28 years old and will turn 29 in October.

            He has played 132 games since he made his debut in 2015. His 132 games in nine seasons are distributed as 3 (50% from debut in R17, 12% season), 10 (43%), 19 (79%), 19 (76%), 14 (58%), 18 (100%), 16 (73%), 19 (86%), 14 (82%), total for career 132 (72% from debut). Only in 2020 did he play every game in a shortened season.

            So he's in and out of the side, probably due to injury. I'll make some optimistic assumptions: he plays six more seasons and we play 24 games each season. I'll also assume that he plays 72% of games - his career average. 24×6×72% = 104 games.

            By that assessment, we would be paying overs if we offered a likely pick 6 and pick 23 for a player who only is likely to play about 100 games. We would be paying overs because Barrass is contracted. We should look elsewhere and get better value.

            De Koning's figures are no better. 51 games (64%) from debut in 2018: 2, none, 7, 13, 19, 10. He's been in and out of the Carlton team as well, and played no senior games at all in 2019.

            If De Koning was out of contract, we could probably secure his services for one or both of our second-round picks.
            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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            • Thunder Shaker
              Aut vincere aut mori
              • Apr 2004
              • 4150

              I'm wondering what the views are of recruiting McKay from North Melbourne. He's a key defender, a free agent, wouldn't cost us anything in draft picks. His figures are on par with De Koning (65 games with a similar average). North Melbourne could potentially end up with pick 3 as compensation, though my guess that's more likely to be an end of first round pick (about pick 19).
              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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              • Blood Fever
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 4040

                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                Barrass is 28 years old and will turn 29 in October.

                He has played 132 games since he made his debut in 2015. His 132 games in nine seasons are distributed as 3 (50% from debut in R17, 12% season), 10 (43%), 19 (79%), 19 (76%), 14 (58%), 18 (100%), 16 (73%), 19 (86%), 14 (82%), total for career 132 (72% from debut). Only in 2020 did he play every game in a shortened season.

                So he's in and out of the side, probably due to injury. I'll make some optimistic assumptions: he plays six more seasons and we play 24 games each season. I'll also assume that he plays 72% of games - his career average. 24×6×72% = 104 games.

                By that assessment, we would be paying overs if we offered a likely pick 6 and pick 23 for a player who only is likely to play about 100 games. We would be paying overs because Barrass is contracted. We should look elsewhere and get better value.

                De Koning's figures are no better. 51 games (64%) from debut in 2018: 2, none, 7, 13, 19, 10. He's been in and out of the Carlton team as well, and played no senior games at all in 2019.

                If De Koning was out of contract, we could probably secure his services for one or both of our second-round picks.
                He's 27. Born October 1995

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                • gloveski
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1018

                  Originally posted by 707
                  Thanks KG

                  Our likely high first and a second! - are we trading for 28yo Barrass or young Nick Daicos?

                  A lot of rubbish dribbles out of the media, how's those earlier in the season 6 years at $800k per season for TDK going?
                  Surely no way the club would pay that type of draft capital unless the eagles were going to pay a significant amount of his. salary


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                  • Thunder Shaker
                    Aut vincere aut mori
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4150

                    Originally posted by Blood Fever
                    He's 27. Born October 1995
                    OK, I forgot to check that one.

                    Meanwhile, more discussion about Barrass on SEN here: Player agent responds to Barrass rumours as Swans urged to make trade
                    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                    • barry
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8499

                      We are not giving up pick 5 for barrass. Not in a million years.
                      We'll package up some other picks (maybe exchange for a better overall pick with a team that needs points for an academy
                      kid) and or a fringe player.

                      Tr;dr we will keep pick 5

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                      • lwjoyner
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 942

                        Hope not ahy not try Arnold brfore end of year. This week would have been an ideal time
                        Why recrruit him if we were not going to gfive chim a chance.

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                        • i'm-uninformed2
                          Reefer Madness
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 4653

                          Cleary named in under-18 All-Australian team.

                          Allies dominate U18 All-Australian team after unbeaten carnival
                          'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            Manager on Barrass “But for now, he's very settled in Perth" “He's just had his second baby"

                            Yep, sounds like a player wanting to move to the other side of the country away from both sides of the family for no more money, but just to help his current home town club out.

                            Very good FB but not at the cost.

                            I like the way the Vicmedia push for these trades that are thrown up by themselves

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                            • Thunder Shaker
                              Aut vincere aut mori
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4150

                              Originally posted by barry
                              We are not giving up pick 5 for barrass. Not in a million years.
                              We'll package up some other picks (maybe exchange for a better overall pick with a team that needs points for an academy
                              kid) and or a fringe player.

                              Tr;dr we will keep pick 5
                              Gold Coast will want more draft points. They may have to match 3 players inside the first 10 picks of the draft and their current draft points after the first round are a little short despite holding eight points-bearing picks. Their first-round pick will be available for the right price.

                              Suppose we end up getting Gold Coast's pick in exchange for our two 2nd-round picks. If that's pick 7, and we have 22 and 25, that would be close, though we would have to offer a little more (a late pick) to balance out the trade.

                              I don't know if any other clubs would be chasing points for Academy players and have first-round picks available in this year's draft.
                              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                              • Thunder Shaker
                                Aut vincere aut mori
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 4150

                                Originally posted by 707
                                Manager on Barrass “But for now, he's very settled in Perth" “He's just had his second baby"

                                Yep, sounds like a player wanting to move to the other side of the country away from both sides of the family for no more money, but just to help his current home town club out.

                                Very good FB but not at the cost.

                                I like the way the Vicmedia push for these trades that are thrown up by themselves
                                I don't see a trade for Barrass happening when other key position players may be available for less. De Koning and Ratugolea are out of contract at the end of the season. McKay will be a restricted free agent.
                                "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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