2023 List Management

[BRS328]

Perhaps a straight would be good for both!!!

[BRS328]

Correction. Perhaps a straight swap would be good for both

[The Big Cat]

FWIW. Facebook rumour (or knowledge) that Dow toured the Swans facility today.

[barry]

Correction. Perhaps a straight swap would be good for both

Great result if so.

[Auntie.Gerald]

If we have talent but our depth is still skinny for being a top4 team while carrying injuries…….especially after loosing significant players in 2024 ie Buddy, Hickey, PMac and possibly the likes of Stephen’s, Reid and Gould?

If we are loosing 800 plus AFL games of experience in one season and a double bump is that they are dropping out of our very inexperienced squad vs the competition.

Then for the 2024 season we need at least 3 new players with experience that can have an impact in our best 28 if not our best 22.

This is despite the emergence of a few young guys in our squad that have started to show their potential. I mean the top8 teams have these guys waiting in the wings also - which sort of makes it a zero sum game ie zero net change for all come round 1.

Our young guys will have their ups and downs (naturally) that can impact games either way. That is just how it is in AFL and we can not expect Amartey to kick 2 or 3 goals a game on average……If he does that is a bonus but would not be counted by KB as a certainty at his stage of experience at AFL.

My sense is that if a “Dow and Jordon” joined they have upside but also enough experience to shift into the team when required and play a role quite easily.

60 games experience each / 22/23yrs of age but also from pretty good teams where they had to scrap and prove a baseline of consistency to get picked vs very good opponents in their squad.

These type of players that are not expensive and allow our team to function effectively allow us to meet short term replacement needs, depth as injuries strike, potential runway of going to a new level plus they don’t mind fighting for the ball…..which we need in spades to be a top4 team.

I have no doubt our contested coaching emphasis will tweak again this pre season…… but u also need to depth and right athletes to execute.

[Roadrunner]

If we have talent but our depth is still skinny for being a top4 team while carrying injuries…….especially after loosing significant players in 2024 ie Buddy, Hickey, PMac and possibly the likes of Stephen’s, Reid and Gould?

If we are loosing 800 plus AFL games of experience in one season and a double bump is that they are dropping out of our very inexperienced squad vs the competition.

Then for the 2024 season we need at least 3 new players with experience that can have an impact in our best 28 if not our best 22.

This is despite the emergence of a few young guys in our squad that have started to show their potential. I mean the top8 teams have these guys waiting in the wings also - which sort of makes it a zero sum game ie zero net change for all come round 1.

Our young guys will have their ups and downs (naturally) that can impact games either way. That is just how it is in AFL and we can not expect Amartey to kick 2 or 3 goals a game on average……If he does that is a bonus but would not be counted by KB as a certainty at his stage of experience at AFL.

My sense is that if a “Dow and Jordon” joined they have upside but also enough experience to shift into the team when required and play a role quite easily.

60 games experience each / 22/23yrs of age but also from pretty good teams where they had to scrap and prove a baseline of consistency to get picked vs very good opponents in their squad.

These type of players that are not expensive and allow our team to function effectively allow us to meet short term replacement needs, depth as injuries strike, potential runway of going to a new level plus they don’t mind fighting for the ball…..which we need in spades to be a top4 team.

I have no doubt our contested coaching emphasis will tweak again this pre season…… but u also need to depth and right athletes to execute.

Agreed Auntie. Dow and Jordon would be decent upgrades on say Clarke and Wicks.

It was obvious in the GF that the Pies had a multi pronged attack and though Hill turned out to be the match winner on the day, they got good service from all their forwards. More scoring shots means a better attack. This means you end up winning most games, as they have done this year unfortunately!

If we get the above 2 plus Grundy, our main weakness will be the need for a key defender. If we can’t trade one in then we have to find him in the draft and not go for “best available” as in the past.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Stephen’s and Dow could end up even in trade currency but we end up with more inside mid grunt = PLUS

Jordon nil cost in trade picks FA = PLUS

Grundy we may end up improving our early pick 30 with Melbourne given we are in the drivers seat on this trade…..IF Melbourne really want to move him on for $ and if he will only deal with Swans = PLUS x 2

[BRS328]

I agree with you Auntie.
I would be very disappointed given the draft hand hold if we do not add more depth. With Stephens departure presumably for a pick 2 we will still have a full draft hand allowing for one of the 3 second round picks to be used for Grundy. I would expect at least one more, and possibly two experienced players to be added in addition to Jordan and Grundy

[giant]

I called a couple months back for a straight swap of Stephens for Dow and it feels like with North's intervention that may play out. He has some significant deficiencies but Dow is far more likely than DS to have some impact at AFL level. We should take some solace from the Blues' ability to get so many top 10 draft selections wrong and still be competitive but the Stephens/Serong trading places moment must still give the Swans list management nightmares.

Don't know a lot about Jordan but what I've seen I've liked - a real competitor with some good footy skills and some flexibility. Taking the #23/24 player from a top flight club with real squad depth was a winning strategy for us once upon a time (Bolton, Jolly, Richards, Mumford), let's hope it can do so again. More importantly, it's great that these in demand players are keen to make the move - we haven't seen that for some years. (FWIW there has been mentions on BF Pies board that Taylor Adams has asked to come to the Swans - strange if true).

Great news about Grundy if we can make that happen. It does however cloud over the decline and fall of Ladhams. I mean WTF happened here? Seems a real failure of our trading DD, not to mention a step back from our famous "no D***heads policy." I hope questions are being asked internally.

All in all, a promising off season awaits - it's no coincidence that the two grand finallists were two of the most active traders in 2022.

[Thunder Shaker]

So far as I can tell from this thread, this is how the trading will play out:

In: Grundy, Jordon, Dow
Out: Stephens, one second-round pick. The pick we get for Stephens may be on-traded to Melbourne for Grundy. Carlton gets the other.
Still needed: a KP defender and another smaller defender. We may get a KPD via a trade, but we may be looking to draft one with our pick 11. Perhaps both. KPD who may be available at our first-round pick: Connor O'Sullivan (replacement for Reid), Ollie Murphy. We may trade for a smaller defender (replacement for Rampe) or draft one with a second-round pick.
Delist: Don't know, and I won't speculate here. (I dislike naming players who may be delisted.)

More speculative: a pick swap with Geelong. IMO we won't get Gold Coast's pick 4, but we may be able to trade for Geelong's pick 7. That's their only pick in the first four rounds, and they may want to trade it for additional picks. We have plenty of picks. A possible trade: pick 7 and a future second-round pick for pick 11 and pick 23. Geelong's future picks may be useful, and trading into next year's draft is also useful. We are more likely to make such a trade if we're after O'Sullivan.

[Maltopia]

I know we have an informal no d-heads policy, but Zorko is unsigned and hungry for a flag.

One year and out the door?

Sheldrick would need to spend more time in the VFL next year as a depth player.

Thoughts?

[111431]

I know we have an informal no d-heads policy, but Zorko is unsigned and hungry for a flag.

One year and out the door?

Sheldrick would need to spend more time in the VFL next year as a depth player.

Thoughts?

Not after his performance on Saturday - burns the ball too often

[AB Swannie]

I get the frustration with the Serong/Stephens draft. However, I do wonder if we would’ve drafted Chad later in that draft if we already had drafted Serong.

[stevoswan]

I get the frustration with the Serong/Stephens draft. However, I do wonder if we would’ve drafted Chad later in that draft if we already had drafted Serong.

Good point....but it would be great to have both.

[AB Swannie]

Good point....but it would be great to have both.

It’s a “who knows” sort of thing but it makes me feel better. I’m normally one to put my trust in Kin but it was almost universally hoped that we’d pick the Swans supporter Serong in that draft.