Rd 4 vs Port Adelaide @ SCG - Match Thread

[0918330512]

I think its time buddy had a good rest .the next 20 weeks should be enough.

Fair call. Bring him back for the finals.

Buddy will find form. Over the next few weeks. I am optimistic

[Maltopia]

Really awful re Paddy and his family seeing him in distress.

Reddit has a thread about the incident..

Majority on it including some Swans followers, are saying AFL and Swans were negligent for allowing him to play after St Kilda delisted him.

Most are also saying he should retire immediately to protect what quality of life he has left, given the incident looked relatively minor (compared to a knee in the head, I guess). Paddy did have a red eye socket it wasn’t that minor (or the turf was really hard).

I noticed that the red eye socket was on the right (and where his head hit the grass) but he grabbed at his left side of his head when he was on the grass? Did anyone else see that?

Not an expert but that looked bad to me - suggesting neurological damage from previous concussions and he was confused about what side the pain is at or he was grabbibg, or he genuinely felt agony/shock in the left side of his brain from the jolt.

Anyway, hope he recovers soon and that it has no long term impacts on his health. We probably won’t get any news about his recovery for several days, but will be hoping the news is as good as it can be, when they finally tell us anything.

[lwjoyner]

lucky we played gc and hawks or we would be where cats are otay. kicking for goal is pathetic,even paps is missing them and Heeney should forgot the around the corner kick. Buddy definitewly a liabilty today, why doent horse move him to the qwing and we wont kick it to him on the forward line, where has amerty's marking gone. Our forward lines tackling non existenmt let too many port players just march out of our fwd line.

[Blood Fever]

Keen to hear Horse post match but the afl site has posted Hinkley’s interview twice instead. Talk about complete shutdown.


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Found it on YouTube. Happy with our intensity but disappointed with our composure. Pleased with a number of young players, didn't mention senior players.

[Blood Fever]

We just had too many passengers.

McInerney was poor again. He looks like a very soft footballer. Doesn't get near the footy anywhere near enough.
Parker: people are saying he was getting into the game. Anything he did got was negated by his rubbish delivery and selfish play. He attempted to kick an airey goal like he did 10 years ago. There was one play going to the left of the screen where the ball feel to him and another Swan. Parker took possession while the other player went left and Parker should have handballed over the top or even low to the ground. But no, he tries to do it all and go inboard, gets tackled, scrubs the kick for a turnover. To me he has lost pace and doesn't get to as many contests. Maybe the game is passing him by.
Cunningham is cooked.
Hayward: again he had about his average stats.9. Any chance he will chase in the forward line. Doesn't offer enough. Again how is he in the leadership group.
Agree with the other comments on Buddy.

Is Amartey a one game wonder?

Sure it's difficult to win when you are 2 down at half time but there was few who rose to the occasion.
To me we lacked leadership on the field.
Papley was the only one that looked likely up forward.
Mills seemed to go missing at times. Someone tell me Heeney is injured.
It seems now we are being carried by Florent, LLoyd, Warner, Gulden, Blakey and Rampe. I thought Rampe was terrific under the circumstances. Campbell was ok
The plus was Robbie Fox fitted seemlessly back into the team.
I thought Ladhams was good. It's not his fault that our mids can't work out where the ball is going. We were no better with Hickey. Gee he got crucified for that one where the umpire called play on. He didn't even look to handpass off. He went to go behind his mark after marking.

This team can't take us to top 4 even with the McCartins back in. I seems to me that Longmire is making the classic mistake of thinking this is the team to take us to glory. He has always been one to keep refreshing the team, but he seems reluctant to change anything. He will be forced to this week, but how far will he go. He doesn't seem to have the guts to drop continually poor performing players. Surely Sheldrick comes in next week.

One of Longmire's strengths is that he backs his players and doesn't indulge in knee jerk reactions. Rewarded handsomely throughout his coaching career. We still have a lot of relatively inexperienced players who are still developing. Not sure dropping them is the answer. I would like to see Sheldrick play but he is not speedy. He should be the sub at least. A number people on here need to take a deep breath before lashing out. Reckon we have been spoilt as supporters by the heights our young team has reached, especially last year. Coaching panel has been outstanding in a cut throat competition.

[Roadrunner]

Or trade him while he has currency his ankle is completely shot and is on huge money could get another mid and defender.

Too harsh, as he worked himself into the game: we can’t be trading talented players: just look at Allir for example!

Look at Nico’s post above- summed up perfectly.
Yes, the umpiring was shocking and the two goals from the late frees proved fatal. But our delivery to our forwards was awful- don’t these players have enough football intelligence to not just bomb it to a pack, when everyone and his dog knows that we can hardly take a mark in such situations? Surely they can lower their eyes and encourage the forwards to lead! This was seldom the case and negated a lot of our inside 50 entries.

Relying on too few to get the job done- all the underperfomers, including Buddy (sadly) need a run in the ressies and let’s blood some of our youngsters together with Gould and Francis.

It was painful to see Buddy struggling so much- felt both sorry and upset with him and defo shouldn’t play for a while.

[707]

Watched the game "live" this morning. Three thoughts at the forefront of my mind - I'm praying Paddy McCartin is ok and that he makes any decision to return to footy carefully. Buddy may finally be done. How did we lose that?

Losing the McCartin's was massive. It meant an underdone Fox had to play a full game, then losing Tom meant we had lost both KPD and down on rotations for the remainder of the match.

We had control for significant periods of the game and should have won.

Umpiring was deplorable and I don't usually worry too much about umpiring but so many soft and non frees drove me nuts. Two absolute howlers against us.

Marshall gets a free and goal for being the weaker of two players jostling in the run for a loose ball.

For the second week in a row Ladhams has been given HTB and robbed of a 50 metre penalty - WTF are these umpires seeing. I replayed the one against Melbourne and last nights and there is no way Ladhams did anything to be called play on in either case. This is just plain and simple shyt umpiring.

Loved the games of Ollie and Chad. Very concerned about McInerney and Heeney, no where near enough output. Fear that Buddy is done. Not sure Cunningham is adding much any more.

Goal kicking hurt us, long periods in attack and kicking points meant we never got as far ahead as we should have. The kick around the body is failing too often.

Maybe we won't make finals this year, long way still to go.

On the bright side, Richmond next week are still $2.10 against a McCartin less Swans

[O'Reilly Boy]

One of Longmire's weaknesses is that he backs his players and doesn't allow poor performances to have repercussions. I do get vexed when I see players who have not been given opportunities, or get played out of position, leaving the club and flourishing elsewhere. We've done this with rucks, KPDs, mids, forwards over the journey. Darcy Cameron was not given a chance. Hewitt played out of position. Aliir forced to ruck. Nankervis? Even Dawson and further back Mitchell were forced to play season after season in the reserves.

Buddy is now a liability. That is blindingly obvious. No distance in his kicks. Struggling to get down to ground balls. Chasing but not catching anyone. It would be worse were he to play further down the ground. Goodesy had the humility to put his hand up to play in the reserves when he lost his touch. If the issue with Bud is that he needs to play his way into confidence (and I think that the issue is bigger than that—he's cooked) he should be doing it in the seconds instead of cruelling our structures in the Firsts.

But it's not just Buddy and the mess of a forward line. We seem to have no capacity to control the tempo of the game. Where were the leaders last night when Port got on a roll in the second quarter? Every time we did get our hands on the ball we rushed the play, bombing it to huge packs, or to contests down the line. Looping, airy handballs putting receivers under immense pressure. Where were the voices settling down the team, trying to take some pace off the game and keeping the ball in hand (or at least out of their hands)?? All the more important given the gusty conditions.

Last year we excelled at channel running and careful, selective 45 kicks back into the corridor to open up options. We controlled tempo, and then unleashed. Last night we hacked. We fell off tackles. We surrendered the corridor.

I'm not buying into the 'we're a young team' and 'relatively inexperienced players' any more. There are enough players out there with serious game experience to be able to make much better decisions and to stamp some authority on the game. I'm just seeing players carrying injuries or playing with no confidence. That we seem to rely on Chad Warner and Errol Gulden to provide leadership and authority is an indictment. And the umpiring issue is not a factor. Both teams were stiffed, but we scragged, held jerseys, fell into backs and were just undisciplined (as we were against the Dees).

And I'm not knee-jerk reacting. There are big issues with the team that are not being addressed.

[crackedactor 01]

I Don't know if its just my prospective, but at times Mcinerney looks a bit disinterested.

[O'Reilly Boy]

I Don't know if its just my prospective, but at times Mcinerney looks a bit disinterested.

Looks to me like someone playing to team rules and sacrificing his game.

[Roadrunner]

One of Longmire's strengths is that he backs his players and doesn't indulge in knee jerk reactions. Rewarded handsomely throughout his coaching career. We still have a lot of relatively inexperienced players who are still developing. Not sure dropping them is the answer. I would like to see Sheldrick play but he is not speedy. He should be the sub at least. A number people on here need to take a deep breath before lashing out. Reckon we have been spoilt as supporters by the heights our young team has reached, especially last year. Coaching panel has been outstanding in a cut throat competition.

Nothing wrong with backing players Blood Fever. But when senior players like Willbur, Harry and Buddy are out of form and hardly contributing, Horse needs to make the tough call and replace them for a week or two. I’ve been critical of Lloyd but last night he did ok and contributed, unlike the other 3.

JMac is a bit of an issue, as is Stephens but need their confidence to grow so dropping them is not the answer as yet. Campbell needs more time in the middle where he can be very effective as ultimately that’s his best position, so he should start there. Ollie and the Lizard can play HB and Lloyd back pocket.

Incidentally, Ollie had a great game- he was so distressed with his last kick, as we all were!

Next week bring McLean back for Buddy- unfortunately anyone would be an improvement on his current form, and we badly need additional marking power up front.

[Bexl]

[QUOTE=Blood Fever;863940]One of Longmire's strengths is that he backs his players and doesn't indulge in knee jerk reactions. Rewarded handsomely throughout his coaching career. We still have a lot of relatively inexperienced players who are still developing. Not sure dropping them is the answer. I would like to see Sheldrick play but he is not speedy. He should be the sub at least. A number people on here need to take a deep breath before lashing out. Reckon we have been spoilt as supporters by the heights our young team has reached, especially last year. Coaching panel has been outstanding in a cut throat competition.[/QUOTE
re your comment on Sheldrick being slow. How was Greg Williams and Tom Mitchell still is. I would give Sheldrick a few games see how it goes. Maybe take Cunningham spot.

[Bexl]

Nothing wrong with backing players Blood Fever. But when senior players like Willbur, Harry and Buddy are out of form and hardly contributing, Horse needs to make the tough call and replace them for a week or two. I’ve been critical of Lloyd but last night he did ok and contributed, unlike the other 3.

JMac is a bit of an issue, as is Stephens but need their confidence to grow so dropping them is not the answer as yet. Campbell needs more time in the middle where he can be very effective as ultimately that’s his best position, so he should start there. Ollie and the Lizard can play HB and Lloyd back pocket.

Incidentally, Ollie had a great game- he was so distressed with his last kick, as we all were!

Next week bring McLean back for Buddy- unfortunately anyone would be an improvement on his current form, and we badly need additional marking power up front.

Maybe Ollie would not have been distressed with his last Kick if there was some decent shepherding on the goal line and Aliar didn't have a 15m run up with no one impeding him.

[MattW]

Maybe Ollie would not have been distressed with his last Kick if there was some decent shepherding on the goal line and Aliar didn't have a 15m run up with no one impeding him.

That play from Mills (celebrating before it was won) and Parker's glory hack suggested complacency.

I think we've been softened up by the first two games and a belief it'll just happen. Those two and Heeney need to produce next week.

[troyjones2525]

One of Longmire's weaknesses is that he backs his players and doesn't allow poor performances to have repercussions. I do get vexed when I see players who have not been given opportunities, or get played out of position, leaving the club and flourishing elsewhere. We've done this with rucks, KPDs, mids, forwards over the journey. Darcy Cameron was not given a chance. Hewitt played out of position. Aliir forced to ruck. Nankervis? Even Dawson and further back Mitchell were forced to play season after season in the reserves.

Buddy is now a liability. That is blindingly obvious. No distance in his kicks. Struggling to get down to ground balls. Chasing but not catching anyone. It would be worse were he to play further down the ground. Goodesy had the humility to put his hand up to play in the reserves when he lost his touch. If the issue with Bud is that he needs to play his way into confidence (and I think that the issue is bigger than that—he's cooked) he should be doing it in the seconds instead of cruelling our structures in the Firsts.

But it's not just Buddy and the mess of a forward line. We seem to have no capacity to control the tempo of the game. Where were the leaders last night when Port got on a roll in the second quarter? Every time we did get our hands on the ball we rushed the play, bombing it to huge packs, or to contests down the line. Looping, airy handballs putting receivers under immense pressure. Where were the voices settling down the team, trying to take some pace off the game and keeping the ball in hand (or at least out of their hands)?? All the more important given the gusty conditions.

Last year we excelled at channel running and careful, selective 45 kicks back into the corridor to open up options. We controlled tempo, and then unleashed. Last night we hacked. We fell off tackles. We surrendered the corridor.

I'm not buying into the 'we're a young team' and 'relatively inexperienced players' any more. There are enough players out there with serious game experience to be able to make much better decisions and to stamp some authority on the game. I'm just seeing players carrying injuries or playing with no confidence. That we seem to rely on Chad Warner and Errol Gulden to provide leadership and authority is an indictment. And the umpiring issue is not a factor. Both teams were stiffed, but we scragged, held jerseys, fell into backs and were just undisciplined (as we were against the Dees).

And I'm not knee-jerk reacting. There are big issues with the team that are not being addressed.

Great points here regarding the players that we have lost due to Horse blindly backing the vets but disagree slightly with the Goodes comment. I still feel he went on one year too long too and it very likely cost us another player you didn't mention in your group of ex-swans, Tim Membrey.

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