Swans v Suns Match Thread 12 Aug23 SCG

[mcs]

A very good second half and we really tightened up around the contest and clearances.

I thought Paps was probably BOG. He's so influential when he's playing that foward-midfield mix, and he gives us a real point of difference on the ball. Parker and Rowie were very good in tight, and the latter in particular just smashed some tackles and smothers. He's such a hard head. I also thought Chad's game was commendable in that he could have easily got frustrated, but he kept racking it up and got his rewards.

Blakey was excellent, as were Heeney and Hayward, and I thought Logan was very influential at times - plus he just knows how to find the sticks.

And as the self-declared President of the Hayden McLean Fan Club, I love what he did today. He has had some limits as a ruckman and he'll always struggle against the elite ones, but he's improved his work in there substantially and his contested work around the ball is excellent. He has a soft pair of hands in tight, but can then clunk the big marks up forward. That pack mark he took two v one on the goal line was so pure. I hope we re-sign him soon.

P.S: That Bailey Humphrey is going to be one hell of a player for them.

Very happy with the endeavour today. Was scrappy but we kept chugging away, and an excellent 3rd quarter made the difference.

Thought Blakey was BOG, but there were multiple excellent performers out there.

[stevoswan]

Yes stevoswan - I sort of knew that but I'm sorry to be so pedantic about it. I apologise to you and wolftone57 and the rest of RAWO members for crapping on so much about it.

Onwards to next week

No mate, you didn't 'crap on' about it....just stuck to your guns and you were right.

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Shock stat from today's game....we won the free kick count 23 to 11. Bloody hell!

[Dow]

Think we need to revisit the back 6, but we got on top amd finished comfortably- the three headed Aragon seems to be working in nicely together

[wolftone57]

Yes I am a youthful 56 wolfetone57 - thanks for the compliment.

"Dropping the ball" was considered Holding the ball then merged into incorrect disposal.

Fighting win in the end - could have been a brilliant game for Warner with a bit more awareness.

Blakey best for me but McLean has improved so much this year - great to see.

Originally 'Dropping the Ball' was a stand alone free. If was not considered holding the ball at all. That came later. First throwing the ball then holding the ball. But how it could be holding the ball is beyond me as they do exactly the opposite. Both dropping the ball, now incorporated into holding, was taken from that and joined with the throw in Incorrect Disposal.

But what is incorrect disposal? The umpires sure don't know. Nor do players. Nor do supporters. In fact the rules do not explain Incorrect Disposal, only to say in an earlier explanation of Throw or kick & handball (what a is a handball?) It is not explained in the rules. A throw it says is illegal. But neither dropping or throwing are a part of Incorrect Disposal. In fact this is not explained except to say see previous explanation. But there is none. No wonder umpires don't know. The rules are so vague. Except on the AFL's big issues. The rest is so interpretive you could just make it up on the run

The rule states:



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[Nico]

Did it have a different name then (?) because I could have sworn I grew up with the rules "holding the ball' and "dropping the ball".

FL is correct. It has always been incorrect disposal that morphed into "ball", and most people in the crowd said "dropping the ball" and still do.

[Scottee]

Originally 'Dropping the Ball' was a stand alone free. If was not considered holding the ball at all. That came later. First throwing the ball then holding the ball. But how it could be holding the ball is beyond me as they do exactly the opposite. Both dropping the ball, now incorporated into holding, was taken from that and joined with the throw in Incorrect Disposal.

But what is incorrect disposal? The umpires sure don't know. Nor do players. Nor do supporters. In fact the rules do not explain Incorrect Disposal, only to say in an earlier explanation of Throw or kick & handball (what a is a handball?) It is not explained in the rules. A throw it says is illegal. But neither dropping or throwing are a part of Incorrect Disposal. In fact this is not explained except to say see previous explanation. But there is none. No wonder umpires don't know. The rules are so vague. Except on the AFL's big issues. The rest is so interpretive you could just make it up on the run

The rule states:



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AFL does not fit the definition of a football code because no one knows what the bloody hell the rules in fact are. They change with the whim of the umpires from week to week from game to game and from minute to minute.


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[stevoswan]

FL is correct. It has always been incorrect disposal that morphed into "ball", and most people in the crowd said "dropping the ball" and still do.

Yeah, we've already discussed it. It actually started as 'holding the ball' then morphed. 'Incorrect disposal' came much later.

"Dropping the ball" was considered Holding the ball then merged into incorrect disposal.

You may be right about there never being a rule actually called 'dropping the ball'......from this page: History of Rule Changes - AFL.com.au :

1939

"Holding man-holding ball rule revised. Free to be paid against player who deliberately dropped ball when tackled.".....which fans may have 'unofficially' just called 'dropping the ball'.

[KTigers]

Yeah, five in a row is good. The first half looked like 10th playing 13th with some dreadful footy by both sides
but in second half we were cleaner and better.
Overall a very even effort by our guys. Which is what you want. 18.6 following up 15.6 last week is pretty decent
kicking. And who would have thought a soccer (a code that has largely passed me by) game could be so captivating.
Driving home after the game it was very quiet on the street. I guess everyone was inside watching the WWC.
It'll blow over.

[Auntie.Gerald]

It’s is bloody red hot kicking

The scoreboard pressure we have applying with quite often less entries far large parts of the game is brutal

[gloveski]

I thought our second half was really good , started to win clearances . Paps done done nice work in tight and Rowbottom was a bull . He actually at times has more time to dispose of it than he realises .


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[Mountain Man]

Stephens: 16 disposals for 88 metres gained.

Seems a poor return.

[KTigers]

I thought our second half was really good , started to win clearances . Paps done done nice work in tight and Rowbottom was a bull . He actually at times has more time to dispose of it than he realises .


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I think down the track Rowbottom is going to going into the record books as truly great Swans player. He reminds me a
bit of Jude. He's clearly as tough as nails, is very consistent and his ability to jag a goal out of nowhere is a very handy skill.
Learning on the job from the best (JPK, Parker) has helped him get him where he is now.

[lwjoyner]

Why pick this game. Our backline has been poor most of the year at least since mccarins and rampe wqent down and melican injured as well. NEED to play Arnold nwxt game or else Tex will gt anothwe rbag. Maybe he still will but give Arnold a go . recruited in mid year to halp the backline.

[MattW]

I think down the track Rowbottom is going to going into the record books as truly great Swans player. He reminds me a
bit of Jude. He's clearly as tough as nails, is very consistent and his ability to jag a goal out of nowhere is a very handy skill.
Learning on the job from the best (JPK, Parker) has helped him get him where he is now.

Absolutely mate; Jude is a great comparison.

John was effusive in lauding James's hardness in his presser last night.

He was very good last year, but even a little better this year. 90 games.

[Dow]

Stephens: 16 disposals for 88 metres gained.

Seems a poor return.

Yeah he was pretty poor, what about when he tried to punch it through for a behind and completely missed the ball