Round 23 Crows v Swans

[Sandridge]

Don’t blame Campbell as he was trying to clear the ball downfield as far as he could. If we had been paid a couple of frees leading up to that kick, especially the free paid to Dawson when it should have been holding the ball against him, then this whole fiasco wouldn’t have happened, We definitely dodged a bullet but I guess Khama catches up with everyone eg Tippett transfer and the Dawson defection, not to mention the times we were screwed by the AFL re Buddy’s signing and the restrictions placed on us with regards transfers and not to mention the abolition of cola. Yes The Crows were hard done by but we deserved a bit of luck going our way.

The claims by some that the result of the match should be overturned were laughable. It may have been a howler that worked in our favour big time but it was ONE decision. I keep thinking of the free against Gulden in the third quarter that directly resulted in a Crow goal. Gulden was astonished when the umpire pinged him and was even more flabbergasted when he watched the replay on the big screen. If Adelaide had won, would anyone be talking about that shocker? Nope, they'd be talking about Adelaide's comeback.

(To be fair to Adelaide, I think their club and particularly Matthew Nicks have handled the situation extremely well. So did Horse. The 2 clubs have dealt with the situation so much more professionally than the AFL and many in the media.)

[Maltopia]

The claims by some that the result of the match should be overturned were laughable. It may have been a howler that worked in our favour big time but it was ONE decision. I keep thinking of the free against Gulden in the third quarter that directly resulted in a Crow goal. Gulden was astonished when the umpire pinged him and was even more flabbergasted when he watched the replay on the big screen. If Adelaide had won, would anyone be talking about that shocker? Nope, they'd be talking about Adelaide's comeback.

(To be fair to Adelaide, I think their club and particularly Matthew Nicks have handled the situation extremely well. So did Horse. The 2 clubs have dealt with the situation so much more professionally than the AFL and many in the media.)

There is also lazy reporting reinforcing the narrative. Eg. I read an article today about Adelaide being denied “the match winning goal”. It was a goal that would have given Adelaide the LEAD with 70 seconds to go.

There are plenty of teams who have kicked a goal to win in the final minute.

We have had Richmond do that to us, we did it to the Bombers? (when Rohan took the one handed mark on the goal line).

Unfortunate for Adelaide, but not as bad as the umpiring in 2016 that cost us a possible grand final fin and ruined Hanner’s career without any consequence for the Bulldogs.

[waswan]

But can't Melbourne finish 2nd if they win and both Brisbane and Port Adelaide lose? Either way they'll know by the start of our game.

Losing to us is easier than relying on Port and Brissy to lose but eitherway your right in that they will know where they stand before the game.

4 Travelling emergencies id say

[MattW]

So apparently Adelaide looked into a judicial challenge but decided the prospects of success were not sufficiently strong to win, given the 70 seconds on the clock: AFL 2023: Adelaide Crows, goal controversy, Ben Keays denied, match winner, finals gone, goal umpire wrong, Nathan Buckley, court, Gerard Whateley.

Buckley thinks they should have challenged it.

Whateley says it's 'stuffed the season' and Jordan Lewis reckon Adelaide 'won the game'.

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/...iPypJxDRg&s=19.

When John said in his press conference today that there's a lot to play for this Sunday, I strongly suspect he has in mind qualifying for the finals without relying on Saturday night's win. GWS beating Carlton would help too.

[Hotpotato]

So many human errors in just one game: OOB, time clock errors, ID, etc etc the ump was convinced in the moment it brushed . So no review . Just a simple mistake with all the angles available post game revealing it. He shouldn’t have to cop all this vilification . No way.

[Blood Fever]

We'll just go about our business as we normally do. Nice to have some luck with umpiring decisions. Way overdue.

[MattW]

Well, at least our game warranted media attention this round. Just not in the form of a match report.

I'm a little tired of seeing the single screenshot from Fox showing a gap between ball and post. One angle, one point in time, no context, proves nothing. I'm not saying that it did or did not hit the post - I don't know. I do find it striking that the goal umpire called it immediately and confidently. I've wondered, even looking at a GIF on the SMH website, if the ball's rotation might have allowed it to brush the back of the padding. But again - I don't know. Anyway, the pundits and media outrage machine have spoken, so I guess that's that.

As for the game: terrific first 3 quarters, but they really ran out of legs in the fourth. I thought Francis forward was interesting and he even had a turn of speed at times that I haven't really seen at the back. Pretty solid contributions from most of the usual suspects too.

Did you see the montage on AFL360 tonight?

I don't have doubt: it was a goal. It was a brilliant kick. It's also hard to see how we would have managed a centre clearance and goal given how out on our feet we were, but it's certainly possible. So it can't be reversed. That would be absurd.

It's awful luck and a pretty flat way to win.

I do think the reaction has been disproportionate. As many people have said: there are plenty of poor decisions in a game. Most are subjective, however, unlike this one.

The AFL does need a better system. They've been faffing all year during McLachlan's lame duck long goodbye.

A win by us and GWS this weekend would largely put it to bed, but hopefully, even if that doesn't happen, we're not begrudged our place in the finals.

Just to add: I hope the goal umpire is holding up ok.

[Sandridge]

So apparently Adelaide looked into a judicial challenge but decided the prospects of success were not sufficiently strong to win, given the 70 seconds on the clock: AFL 2023: Adelaide Crows, goal controversy, Ben Keays denied, match winner, finals gone, goal umpire wrong, Nathan Buckley, court, Gerard Whateley.

Buckley thinks they should have challenged it.

Whateley says it's 'stuffed the season' and Jordan Lewis reckon Adelaide 'won the game'.

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/...iPypJxDRg&s=19.

Perhaps, then, they should have separate match review panels that watch a whole game after it’s finished. That panel can evaluate ALL of the mistakes made by umpires and their effect on the scores. The panel can then deliver its verdict on who really won the game. We’d get the 2016 Premiership if they did that!

[chalbilto]

Just watched Gerard Whateley carry on about the non goal decision and I thought his head was going to explode. Yes it was a mistake get over it. It got me wondering has John Longmire been on the ‘coaches night’ this year?

[liz]

Just watched Gerard Whateley carry on about the non goal decision and I thought his head was going to explode. Yes it was a mistake get over it. It got me wondering has John Longmire been on the ‘coaches night’ this year?

Once I think. A couple of months ago.

I've often heard Longmire (and plenty of other coaches, and even some of the "experts" getting their knickers in a twist) than whenever a game is won by a small margin, especially within a goal, it's usually luck which side of the ledger a team lands on. That's sport. That's life.

Like this is the first game where the AFL has conceded an error was made late in the game that led to an outcome defining score (or denied a team the chance at an outcome defining score)?

[Hotpotato]

Whateleys lecturing was pretty tiresome. He loves to be the head judge and executioner.

An ump has got it wrong like so many others .
The Crows will no doubt examine their efforts in the first 3 quarters and reach their own conclusions about the result..

[Nico]

Just watched Gerard Whateley carry on about the non goal decision and I thought his head was going to explode. Yes it was a mistake get over it. It got me wondering has John Longmire been on the ‘coaches night’ this year?

Yes, but what you're forgetting is that Whateley has never made a mistake in his life. The hardest things he ever done is read off a dummy sheet and his already produced running sheet. Mr Sickly Sweet himself.

[The Big Cat]

At last a fair article on the Adelaide finish.

Inside story of the AFL goal balls-up and how it should have played out

Also cast doubt on whether the left footed Keays should have taken the kick in the fist place.

[KTigers]

The part I don't get is why everyone is absolutely certain it was a goal whilst simultaneously admitting the footage the AFL have
of these types of incidents is always poor. As per usual the irony of this is lost on pretty much everyone. On right on cue
McLachlan bends over to the baying mob by laying off the poor goal umpire. We like to think the game is unpredictable, but
reactions around it never are.

[Blood Fever]

Whateleys lecturing was pretty tiresome. He loves to be the head judge and executioner.

An ump has got it wrong like so many others .
The Crows will no doubt examine their efforts in the first 3 quarters and reach their own conclusions about the result..

The infallible Mr Whateley