Round 14: the other games.

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  • Sandridge
    Outer wing, Lake Oval
    • Apr 2010
    • 2049

    #16
    Originally posted by SCGonasunnyday
    Not sure how I feel about that game. Pretty entertaining for a game I was planning to skip.
    A very interesting non-decision near the end of the game. A North player about 60 m out from the North goal took a mark from a kick off the ground and 2 Collingwood players - thinking it wasn't a mark - tackled him. A 50m penalty would've been a certain goal and probable victory to North but it wasn't adjudicated that way.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      #17
      Outrageously bad umpiring for both those players to get away with that. Any other time in the game, zero chance they would. It was clearly whistled as a mark - irrespective of what distance. Zero excuse.

      Let alone the Daicos clear HTB in North's forward 50 as well. But an umpire can't possibly give a free against a Daicos now, can they?
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Maltopia
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2016
        • 1556

        #18
        The AFL news this week will be all about how the Pies came back from 54 points down whilst missing lots of their players, and little acknowledgement of how the Swans are now effectively 4 games clear on top of the ladder, missing two of their starting 22 for most of the season, plus also Fox.

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        • Mel_C
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 4470

          #19
          Originally posted by Sandridge
          A very interesting non-decision near the end of the game. A North player about 60 m out from the North goal took a mark from a kick off the ground and 2 Collingwood players - thinking it wasn't a mark - tackled him. A 50m penalty would've been a certain goal and probable victory to North but it wasn't adjudicated that way.
          I can't believe it wasn't paid 50. There were 2 players that ran well over the mark.

          I don't know how Collingwood supporters have survived over the last three years with all these close finishes. I'm just glad the Swans comebacks this year happen earlier in the match and we haven't had heart failures!

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          • dejavoodoo44
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2015
            • 8491

            #20
            Originally posted by mcs
            Outrageously bad umpiring for both those players to get away with that. Any other time in the game, zero chance they would. It was clearly whistled as a mark - irrespective of what distance. Zero excuse.

            Let alone the Daicos clear HTB in North's forward 50 as well. But an umpire can't possibly give a free against a Daicos now, can they?
            There always seems to be a player or two, who for some reason are treated with a mysterious amount of respect by the umpires. Matthew Lloyd would throw himself on the ground, if it looked like he wasn't going to mark the ball and the umpires would often just assume that the defender had done something wrong. Chris Judd raising his arms in traffic, was usually enough for an umpire to blow the whistle. Everybody, except for some Geelong fans and most umpires, knew that Joel Selwood had his own, possibly even patented, method of drawing high contact frees.

            Although, if his commentary is anything to go by, Selwood probably did get hit in the head many times.

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            • 707
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2009
              • 6204

              #21
              Selwood joining Luke Darcy as the most useless of commentators.

              Pies are infuriatingly annoying constantly winning close games

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              • KTigers
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2012
                • 2499

                #22
                Originally posted by 707
                Selwood joining Luke Darcy as the most useless of commentators.
                They are both graduates at the Mark Ricciuto Institute Of Commentary. I was at the SCG that day in 1994 we gave up 8
                goals in the last quarter to lose to St Kilda, it was horrible. And then the next year the main protagonist was playing for us. Not
                Norths turnaround is coming that quickly though.
                Last edited by KTigers; 17 June 2024, 01:15 AM.

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                • Nico
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11328

                  #23
                  I wonder if it was the same umpire who paid a free to Sheezel early in the game in the forward pocket, only for Collingwood to kick the ball upfield.....and get this, he called play on to Collingwood. It was only when the ball was on the wing that another umpire stopped the play and reminded him he paid a free to North. Oh how that umpire must have felt.
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                  • ISIBIDBI
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Sep 2018
                    • 29

                    #24
                    A lot of non-calls both ways in that last 5 mins of the Collingwood North game, obviously that non 50 being a standout. Clearly the umpires are less inclined to pay freekicks that would likely have an impact on the result in the last few minutes of games, whether they are there or not. Although by the same token we got very lucky with a similar incident against Adelaide with Florent being told to stand twice and running back off the mark, which we weren't punished for. Wonder if there has been a directive for the umpires to be more forgiving on that kind of incident. I wouldn't be surprised especially as I heard a lot of media commentary over the past few weeks about how much of a penalty a 50 is and how on many occasions it is too harsh.

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                    • Scottee
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1585

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ISIBIDBI
                      A lot of non-calls both ways in that last 5 mins of the Collingwood North game, obviously that non 50 being a standout. Clearly the umpires are less inclined to pay freekicks that would likely have an impact on the result in the last few minutes of games, whether they are there or not. Although by the same token we got very lucky with a similar incident against Adelaide with Florent being told to stand twice and running back off the mark, which we weren't punished for. Wonder if there has been a directive for the umpires to be more forgiving on that kind of incident. I wouldn't be surprised especially as I heard a lot of media commentary over the past few weeks about how much of a penalty a 50 is and how on many occasions it is too harsh.
                      Plenty of howlers in that match but the most unforgivable is the third umpire not deeming a point for a goal paid to the pies.It was very clearly touched in the replay and it makes you wonder if the AFL is lying about video reviews of every goal.


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                      • Hotpotato
                        Senior Player
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 2261

                        #26
                        I was unaware that both the Crows & Port are not controlled by their own board but by the AFL.
                        “Claim only boardroom control independence can save Adelaide from itself.”
                        The Australian
                        Monday June 17
                        2024
                        Are the Swans controlled by their own board?

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                        • i'm-uninformed2
                          Reefer Madness
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 4653

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Scottee
                          Plenty of howlers in that match but the most unforgivable is the third umpire not deeming a point for a goal paid to the pies.It was very clearly touched in the replay and it makes you wonder if the AFL is lying about video reviews of every goal.


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                          That was astonishing. And the non play on to advantage call when Hoskin Elliott had all the time in the world to choose whether or not to play on, did so, missed the goal and then they called it back to Kreuger. The disparity in decision making yesterday, with the number of fine line calls that fell the way of the Pies, was outrageous. And I say that as someone who has serious distaste for Norf supporters.
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                          • i'm-uninformed2
                            Reefer Madness
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 4653

                            #28
                            How ridiculous is this explanation from the AFL.

                            By their logic, you can no longer be pinged 50 for moving off the mark before play on is called, if the player with the ball moves off his line.

                            AFL concedes umpire error but ticks off 50m penalty call
                            'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #29
                              Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                              How ridiculous is this explanation from the AFL.

                              By their logic, you can no longer be pinged 50 for moving off the mark before play on is called, if the player with the ball moves off his line.

                              AFL concedes umpire error but ticks off 50m penalty call
                              I'm satisfied with the explanation from the AFL. The umpire made an error by not making any call on the play. It appears that Scott played on, then changed his mind. At that moment, or sooner, the umpire had to make a call, but didn't, so the players' confusion was understandable.

                              Collingwood were lucky with umps on Sunday, but overall, they're not a side that has gotten any favouratism from the umpiring in recent times.

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                              • i'm-uninformed2
                                Reefer Madness
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 4653

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Ludwig
                                I'm satisfied with the explanation from the AFL. The umpire made an error by not making any call on the play. It appears that Scott played on, then changed his mind. At that moment, or sooner, the umpire had to make a call, but didn't, so the players' confusion was understandable.

                                Collingwood were lucky with umps on Sunday, but overall, they're not a side that has gotten any favouratism from the umpiring in recent times.
                                Everything you say happened is true but what she has effectively said is that it's free for the defensive players to decide when play on should reasonably be called. Under the stand rule the offensive player gets a half second/second advantage between moving off the line and the umps calling play on, so she's opened a total pandora's box here. She's also effectively said the players were free to ignore the umpires decision (or non-decision) because the umpire made a mistake. Just crackers.

                                I guess my real problem is when a player next week gets pinged for doing it, the explanation will be 'thems the rules'.
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