Things I'd like players to work on inb pre-season

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  • sharpie
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    • Jul 2003
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    #46
    Jonathon Brown would have beaten anyone in our team on that day, its just his kicking that let him down in the later stages of the game, thus C.Bolton was made to look better than his performance actually was.

    I'm not taking anything away from Bolton here, since he was playing on a guy far stronger and bulkier than himself, in the same way as he did all year. All I'm saying is that some people see that particular performance through rose coloured glasses.
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    • NMWBloods
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      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #47
      Originally posted by sharpie
      Jonathon Brown would have beaten anyone in our team on that day, its just his kicking that let him down in the later stages of the game, thus C.Bolton was made to look better than his performance actually was.

      I'm not taking anything away from Bolton here.
      I think you are actually. Certainly the end result looked better because Brown missed some goals he should have kicked. But, Brown was also much less influential as he was less involved in the play and was less of a target, which was mainly Bolton's doing.
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      • robbieando
        The King
        • Jan 2003
        • 2750

        #48
        Originally posted by sharpie
        Jonathon Brown would have beaten anyone in our team on that day, its just his kicking that let him down in the later stages of the game, thus C.Bolton was made to look better than his performance actually was.

        I'm not taking anything away from Bolton here, since he was playing on a guy far stronger and bulkier than himself, in the same way as he did all year. All I'm saying is that some people see that particular performance through rose coloured glasses.
        The fact Bolton drove Brown up the ground meant that Brown had to take long shots at goal and these are harder to kick than shots closer in. Thats what Bolton did so well, he made Brown play in position on the ground that doesn't suit Brown or the Lions themselves. As we saw in the final, Brown knew that we would try it again and adjusted his game to cope with our tactic, something he couldn't do at half time.

        It will be interesting to see who gets Brown in Round 1, considering all the facts
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        • DST
          The voice of reason!
          • Jan 2003
          • 2705

          #49
          Originally posted by robbieando
          chammond, hate to disagree with you, but Saddo isn't a good key position defender, however thats not to say he isn't a good defender. He gets outbodied on the better forwards in the league and I believe the club would be better off putting him on a player each week that suits him, not try and hope he can take someone above his weight.

          I just believe that he isn't capable to taking the likes of Carey or Jon Brown. While Schauble will take the number 1 forward each week, the same can't be said of Saddo, it really depends on who the number 2 forward is.

          That being said he is a good defender who does his best work floating across the back line and not lining up on a Brown.
          That is true Robbie,

          He has been a very good defender for us in the past playing as the floater where he can jump from the sides and not be out bodied.

          For people calling for his head etc is nonsense, this year he was riddled with injury and was not able to play to anywhere near his normal standard. Couple this with our chronic lack of big tall defenders which means he is often played on opponents any sane and rational coach would never line him up on.

          Have seen him play some great games when lined up on a suitable match up and suitable position (one that comes to mind is that game at Telstra Dome against SnDon that we should never have lost, played a blinder that day on Lucas)

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          • sharpie
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            • Jul 2003
            • 1588

            #50
            Originally posted by robbieando
            The fact Bolton drove Brown up the ground meant that Brown had to take long shots at goal and these are harder to kick than shots closer in. Thats what Bolton did so well, he made Brown play in position on the ground that doesn't suit Brown or the Lions themselves. As we saw in the final, Brown knew that we would try it again and adjusted his game to cope with our tactic, something he couldn't do at half time.

            It will be interesting to see who gets Brown in Round 1, considering all the facts
            I see what you're saying. I reckon it was a bit of both. These sort of things are still a little subtle for my eye
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            • TheHood
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              • Jan 2003
              • 1938

              #51
              Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
              What Barry Hall really needs to do is to lift his overhead marking I was very dissapointed with his efforts at this last season.

              (off topic) Cant wait for season 2004 so many possibilites.
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              • TheHood
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                • Jan 2003
                • 1938

                #52
                Re: Things I'd like players to work on inb pre-season

                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                Leo Barry: Kicking with right foot

                IMHO[/SIZE]
                Ironically, Leo's manical ways trying to get on his left generates his elusiveness!
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                • NMWBloods
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #53
                  Re: Re: Things I'd like players to work on inb pre-season

                  Originally posted by TheHood
                  Ironically, Leo's manical ways trying to get on his left generates his elusiveness!
                  Yes, that is amazingly true enough, however one day the opposition will actually work that out!!
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                  • NMWBloods
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #54
                    After watching three more of the Sydney games this season I came up with a new one:

                    Tadgh Kennelly: Look after the ball better when tackled. He needs to learn not to wildly handball the ball when tackled as it frequently goes to the opposition. Saw him do it at least three times in critical situations in the West Coast game for example.
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                    • sydfan83
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2929

                      #55
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods
                      Tadgh Kennelly: Look after the ball better when tackled. He needs to learn not to wildly handball the ball when tackled as it frequently goes to the opposition. Saw him do it at least three times in critical situations in the West Coast game for example. [/B]
                      What about when he got caught holding the ball and tried to 'disguise' it by punching the grass in an attempt to look like he was trying to get rid of it? That was rather comical, and he does make a few mistakes, but I do believe that he is good enough to learn from them over time as he gets to know the game better.

                      As for who gets Brown in Rd 1 next year, I really don't think we need to put anyone on Brown in that game, I can't see him troubling the stats sheet at all.

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                      • BAM_BAM
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 1820

                        #56
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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #57
                          Originally posted by sydfan83
                          What about when he got caught holding the ball and tried to 'disguise' it by punching the grass in an attempt to look like he was trying to get rid of it? That was rather comical, and he does make a few mistakes, but I do believe that he is good enough to learn from them over time as he gets to know the game better.
                          Yes, that was rather strange. I have no doubt that he will improve enormously in the next few years and could potentially become one of the superstars of the competition.


                          As for who gets Brown in Rd 1 next year, I really don't think we need to put anyone on Brown in that game, I can't see him troubling the stats sheet at all.
                          No, we'll just have to wait until later in the season for that one.

                          Rd 1 will be interesting though, with the favourite (again) meeting one of the main contenders.
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                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • Ruckman
                            Ego alta, ergo ictus
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 3990

                            #58
                            Re: Re: Re: Things I'd like players to work on inb pre-season

                            There's so much more to Leaping Leo Barry

                            I reckon Leo's great, be breaks tackles, takes marks, spoils well, he's actually quite tough and when he runs it's amazing.

                            Not the actual running (he's not superfast) ~ just watch his decision making processes.

                            When he gets the ball and looks up, just watch his feet because they're already running in several rapidly changing and simultaneous directions at once . . . and doing so long before his brain says GO. Meanwhile he's shaping to handpass and looking in yet another direction.

                            He moves like a "Loony Tunes" cartoon character (Perhaps the Tazmanian devil)

                            Even when he runs himself into trouble trying to avoid the right foot, it's astonishing to see him manage to get out of trouble by confusing everyone.

                            I'm not sure the opposition will ever work him out ~ I don't think even Leo's capable of working himself out.

                            As to his Right Boot
                            I've seen him use it in games and it's really quite good ~ I think he's just addicted to his left foot.

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                            • NMWBloods
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                              • Jan 2003
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                              #59
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Things I'd like players to work on inb pre-season

                              There's so much more to Leaping Leo Barry

                              I reckon Leo's great, be breaks tackles, takes marks, spoils well, he's actually quite tough and when he runs it's amazing.
                              He certainly had a stellar year. I really noticed how critical he was in defence doing so many different things.


                              As to his Right Boot
                              I've seen him use it in games and it's really quite good ~ I think he's just addicted to his left foot.
                              Yeah, I think that is it. Still, he needs to have more confidence in his right boot for the times when he needs to use it.
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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