B1 worth ~$300K pa??

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by timthefish
6. Eddie shuts the @@@@ up

Surely this point is the most crucial of them all!!!!

[penga]

to me $300k is squat, as far as a sporting contract goes, i spose thats what you get when you watch sportscenter quite a bit...

however, IMO bazza would be worth about $600k, jude is about half as important as bazza, therefore 300k too easy

and to further NMW's call, paying judd 6-700k is cheap

[DST]

I know plenty of AFL footballers and $300,000 for a Jude Bolton type player is not outlandish at all.

You would cringe at some of the the figures being paid for some average footballers.

Statistics suggest that less than 10% of all players get to 100 games, although with better drafting this is changing.

If you are in your early to mid twenties and have managed to play 100 games and a club sees you as remaining on the list for the next 2 to 3 years, you are basically going to get somewhere between $200,000 to $300,000 irrespective of how good you are or your worth to your team.

This is just how the numbers fall with lists so small (38) and with so many young players straight from the draft on the list.

DST

[Charlie]

Originally posted by DST


This is just how the numbers fall with lists so small (38) and with so many young players straight from the draft on the list.

Good point. Looking at our list, we have:
- Willoughby, Schmidt, Erickson and Davis on base payments.
- McVeigh, Thewlis, Malceski, Dempster and Meiklejohn at or near base payments (I believe there's a small raise for a second-year player, may be wrong).
- Bevan and Rogers on rookie payments.
- Buchanan, Ablett, James, Roberts-Thomson, Powell, Sundqvist and Fixter who, although not on their first contracts, are unestablished players and hence would not be on significant sized contracts. The only one of these I could imagine being over about $80,000 as a base would be Fixter - if he signed a contract after his 2002 season.

That starts to leave a lot for the top 22 on the list. Especially considering we'd have a good seven or eight players below say, $200,000, as well as not massive contracts for our highest paid players. The Bladder researched this recently and came up with Baz as our highest paid player at about $500,000 - that's the low end of the scale for highest paid players.

[floppinab]

Keep in mind that we should not be paying our full salary cap yet given where the team is at the moment. If we get to the GF this year then maybe in 2005 we might be getting close but right now I'd say we should be paying around 10-15% lower than the full cap.
There's been a bit of press around last year suggesting that is case.

[Mark]

Current AFL salaries dictate that Jude is worth $300k whether anyone on here likes it or not

And for what it is worth Monty and James were redrafted onto list so would be on minimum salary along with Rogers and Bevan. That means we have 13 -18 players on minimum Salary !!!

We have been very smart in tying up players over the last few years ahead of their current worth Goodes, Schneider, O'keefe, Kirk to name a few. Would think we are travelling nicely in the payments comparatively. We are therefore in a position to tie up players Roos considers "crucial" long term now !

IMHO

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Mark
Current AFL salaries dictate that Jude is worth $300k whether anyone on here likes it or not

But who else in our side is worth at least $250K.

I would say there should be quite a few.

Seems a bit of a mockery of our claim that we are an even team and not one of superstars (with a few obvious exceptions) when just one of the many makes $300K. Means a few of them may be getting underpaid relative to that.

[caj23]

whether you like it or not $300k is about the market rate for an afl footballer of jude's standing

would everyone prefer that we offer him a contract below the market rate and risk seeing him return home to a melbourne club who is willing to pay him what he is worth

[NMWBloods]

Why get snippy about it.

My point is simply that much of our side is fairly even, and $300K is a lot to play just another player in that top 18.

[liz]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why get snippy about it.

My point is simply that much of our side is fairly even, and $300K is a lot to play just another player in that top 18.

Didn't see anyone getting "snippy" about anything. Thought people were just posting their views.

I don't think $300k sounds unreasonable for Jude. Whatever your view of Jude's ability, I'd say the club values him pretty highly. I suggest he is more than just another player in the top 18. Last year he came third in the B&F. This year he hasn't been as consistent but if he continues for the rest of the season as he has been playing for the last month he'll finish top 10 this year, for sure. I think that the club would expect him to finish in the top 10 of the B&F for each of the next four or five years, injuries permitting - and some years towards the top end of that group.

He is just entering the "peak" years of his career age-wise. He is physically fit, rarely gets injured, is highly personable and as a marketing tool for the club probably sits just below Hall, Goodes and maybe O'Loughlin.

As Charlie pointed out, doing the maths suggests that around 15 of the players will probably be within the $200-300k range with just a couple coming in above that. Factor in incremental increases in the salary cap over the three year period of his reported contract and it makes sense. Factor in possible performance related elements that Cliff suggested and it makes even more sense.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by lizz
Didn't see anyone getting "snippy" about anything. Thought people were just posting their views.

It was the sarcastic comment above me.

I don't think $300k sounds unreasonable for Jude. Whatever your view of Jude's ability, I'd say the club values him pretty highly. I suggest he is more than just another player in the top 18.

Yes, I know the club rates him highly, which I suppose goes without saying given the contract.

However, given our team's makeup it does sound high to me.

[caj23]

sorry wasn't trying to be snippy - just trying to illustrate my point

[Rob-bloods]

IMO Jude is not yet worth $300k. True he is a good goer and seems a good club man, and he is very nice with the older ladies at after-matches, but $300k seems too much.

I think a general problem is paying players on potential or a short burst of form, when they don't achieve you get the Harfords, Daffys, Gaspars of this world, and lists that are inferior but paying to the cap max.

Viz comments on Kirk, after seeing his efforts versus Carlton and Adelaide it confirms if anyone did not know he is worth $300/350k no problems.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Will Sangster
sorry wasn't trying to be snippy - just trying to illustrate my point

No probs - sometimes it's hard to tell when reading.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Rob-bloods
I think a general problem is paying players on potential or a short burst of form, when they don't achieve you get the Harfords, Daffys, Gaspars of this world, and lists that are inferior but paying to the cap max.

Yep exactly - something Richmond, Hawthorn and now it seems Collingwood have problems with.