$3000 Man

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Ruckman
Name calling, "Peanuts"? Wow?

Bloods you must really get upset with all *'s that appear in some posts.

However your right it is name calling, so MY BAD.

I don't (didn't) get upset, but I just think it unnecessary.

I've been called far worse on this board...

I do however think that some people do tend to harp on about their "anti-favourite"

Yes, that does tend to happen. Equally, some people defend their favourites to the last no matter how they play.

[DST]

This thread is pointless, it has been done to death on many other threads. But to have my two cents worth again.

Based on the current market value for AFL of Jude's age, ability and team structure, he sits very comfortably in the $280,000 to $330,000 a year level. Someone like the Richmond, Hawthorn or the Bulldogs would probably go even higher to get him into their side.

The other thing no one has taken into account when slagging off Jude is that in all likelyhood the $300,000 is the full entitlement of his contract including performance based payments. So if he does not perform, he is probably going to get less than that anyway.

DST

[swansrule100]

any chance of a moratorum on jude bolton and the 300k a year

[NMWBloods]

I don't care about the $300K - I've already commented on that a while ago. What I do care about is I don't think he's playing particularly well.

[DST]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I don't care about the $300K - I've already commented on that a while ago. What I do care about is I don't think he's playing particularly well.

I agree with you on that NMWBloods, his next contract should be left out of it.

Jude is not travelling as well at the momment compared to last year. But hey the whole team is not.

What really annoys me is that people want to compare him at the momment to the Fab 5 from Brisbane. Yes they are all great players and would fit into any teams line-up, but hey if you can't get a kick in that line-up with the quality around you and the work from their great ruckman then you are never going to get a touch.

Put Jude into that side with the confidence not to rush his disposal (which he had lasty year) and you would see a very different player. Overall though his intensity and desire is still the same as last year.

DST

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by DST
What really annoys me is that people want to compare him at the momment to the Fab 5 from Brisbane. Yes they are all great players and would fit into any teams line-up, but hey if you can't get a kick in that line-up with the quality around you and the work from their great ruckman then you are never going to get a touch.

Put Jude into that side with the confidence not to rush his disposal (which he had lasty year) and you would see a very different player. Overall though his intensity and desire is still the same as last year.

I agree. This is why I say I would like to keep him as the second or third midfielder. If we had a gun midfielder (like Judd, Black, etc) then Bolton could make a great foil as the 'leader' of the 'reasonable skills but hard-working' remainder of the midfield.

As it is, he is meant to be our top midfielder and he just doesn't cut it as that.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by Diego
2nd rate palyer who will be lucky to get a game with the lions reserves.

Not worth 300k.

Good to see the club going back to their old pathetic ways and signing players b/c of their looks at markatable value rather than their football nous.

A very expensive perve Jude is.

Stop it you lot - you are all being f*@#en stupid.

At least J.Bolton gtes the pill, shows endeavour to go and get the ball, always gives the 110% Tony Squires, usually hits the target when the target isn't stationery like on Saturday and is the hardest worker on the track and most professional player at the club.

I think you guys should look at the big picture and realise that Bolton was kicking to forwards ( O'Keefe, O'Loughlin, Nicks and Hall at times ) who had concrete boots on and Roos had a midfield set-up that was never going to help Bolton ie. Kirk and Matthews tagging, therefore leaving Bolton to be our only attacking midfielder compared to the Dockers Hasleby, Longmuir, Bell and Pavlich.

Look at the bigger picture when writing these threads please - I thought Collingwood brains weren't allowed on this site !!

Not even the great Hayden Bunton or Leigh Matthews dominated and played great games every game.

I advised my girlfriend to watch a great footballer in Chris Judd at work on Sunday and he ended up with 11 possessions for the game - go figure !!

If Bolton is struggling and not worth $300,000 ( if he is anyway ) then the following footballers should be worth these amounts -

Nic Fosdike - shouldn't be playing at the club, the useless ratdog.

Ben Matthews - useless with vision anything past 40 metres and got towelled up like I'd never seen a player get towelled up while tagging Hasleby on Saturday. Soon as Matthews stopped tagging Hasleby, the Swans improved tenfold. Matthews should be only $90,000 a year and minus $15,000 for not giving Plugger the respect of his number back in 2002. Very overrated player - trade bait.

Stephen " Donkey " Doyle - dropped three chest marks when no opponent was around him on Saturday - enough said. Should be on $40,000 plus $100 per possession and $20 per tap out.

Luke Ablett - worst disposal, along with Wojincski from Geelong, in the competition and should have been dropped five weeks ago. At best on $80,000.

Michael O'Loughlin - gets injured and goes missing when required, can't fight through pain barriers and has been constantly injured since he was 24 years old. Only worth $130,000 at best at present.

Adam Goodes - had two great years in six, doesn't show enough commitment to the cause when required, evidenced by his reluctance to sit out games to the benefit of team due to his two injured knees. Very one-dimensional player ( on the ball ), therefore worth only $200,000 at best due to the above. Trade for Judd would be handy.

Bolton will be a very very very great future captain of the club - mark my words. The King ( Paul Kelly ) couldn't hit the side of a bus from 15 metres away for the first 3 years at the club, but his commitment was never ever questioned - ditto with Bolton and he would get the ball through buses windows 8 out of 10.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by cressakel
Roos had a midfield set-up that was never going to help Bolton ie. Kirk and Matthews tagging, therefore leaving Bolton to be our only attacking midfielder compared to the Dockers Hasleby, Longmuir, Bell and Pavlich.

Kirk had 29 possessions - so he wasn't attacking...?

Not even the great Hayden Bunton or Leigh Matthews dominated and played great games every game.

Surely you are kidding with these comparisons...??

I advised my girlfriend to watch a great footballer in Chris Judd at work on Sunday and he ended up with 11 possessions for the game - go figure !!

And again...???

[cressakel]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
[B]Kirk had 29 possessions - so he wasn't attacking...?

And 21 handballs that went nowhere. F%#@*ng handballs don't win games of footy. Kirk's main role is to tag and if he gets stats in the process, then it's a bonus.
[B]

Surely you are kidding with these comparisons...??

No - I am making a point that even the greatest footballers have bad days. I know Bolton isn't in there league, but the point is even the best ( and I wouldn't state the worst would I ! ) have sub-par games.


And again...???

No - I am making a point that even the greatest footballers have bad days. I know Bolton isn't in there league, but the point is even the best ( and I wouldn't state the worst would I ! ) have sub-par games.

No-one is exempt from bad games of footy - do you get that or is that still hard to comprehend ?!

By the way, I thought he was in our top two or three anyway.

[DST]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I agree. This is why I say I would like to keep him as the second or third midfielder. If we had a gun midfielder (like Judd, Black, etc) then Bolton could make a great foil as the 'leader' of the 'reasonable skills but hard-working' remainder of the midfield.

As it is, he is meant to be our top midfielder and he just doesn't cut it as that.

That is how I look at it as well.

I like the foundation we have at present, Kirk as the tagger and Bolton as the in and under player.

Just need to find a couple of fast, skillfull players to finish that off.

Hopefully McVeigh will be able to play that endurance type roll who is always running to space to accept the ball and someone like Willoughby with speed and skill at the contest feeding off Kirk & Bolton.

DST

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by cressakel
And 21 handballs that went nowhere. F%#@*ng handballs don't win games of footy. Kirk's main role is to tag and if he gets stats in the process, then it's a bonus.

Try telling that to Greg Williams! I'm not saying that Kirk played a great game, but 29 possessions is hardly a defensive performance. He has more disposals and more clearances than Bolton this year.

No - I am making a point that even the greatest footballers have bad days. I know Bolton isn't in there league, but the point is even the best ( and I wouldn't state the worst would I ! ) have sub-par games.

No-one is exempt from bad games of footy - do you get that or is that still hard to comprehend ?!

No need to patronising!

However, if you are going to compare him to greats and that they have down days, then you equally need to compare him on up days. That comparison doesn't stack up. If his up days were as good as some champions, then of course he would be allowed some down days.

As I've stated before, I just don't think he does enough to hurt the opposition. He's just a good honest toiling plodder. That's fine, except we need some top-flight midfielders too, and we have none.

By the way, I thought he was in our top two or three anyway.

Hardly an achievement considering how poor everyone else is.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
[B]

Hardly an achievement considering how poor everyone else is.

Considering you thought the majority of the team was poor, I have complied a team of players that we could pick, over the 100 plus year history of the comp, from their graves, retirement and other clubs so that you can never complain about Jude Bolton again and, at the wave of a magic wand, we can suddenly be the best team in the history of the VFL/AFL !!

This team as follows is -

B: Francis Bourke Jack Regan Geoff Southby
H-B: Bruce Doull Ted Whitten Guy McKenna
C: Keith Greig Ian Stewart Paul Kelly
H-F: Gary Ablett Wayne Carey James Hird
F: Bob Skilton Tony Lockett John Coleman
FOLL: Polly Farmer Ron Barrasi Leigh Matthews
INT: Greg Williams Malcolm Blight Jason Dunstall Darren Jarman.

The point here is that Jude Bolton is only as good as the weakest link and those weakest links on Saturday included Matthews ( nearly punched the tv watching this painfull player at play ), Goodes, Doyle, Schneider etc etc.

Bolton is on our top five players and is NOT the reason for the loss on Saturday or any other losses this year. The weakest links that had a bearing on those losses were Matthews, Doyle, Goodes, O'Loughlin, Ablett, James, Maxfield and the biggest weakest link of all time - Fosdike.

P.S. The comparisons between Greg Williams' dynamic handballs and Brett Kirks' " hospital and get yourself in further trouble " handballs are hilarious.

[Nico]

Interesting you bring up the point of stats. Almost every scribe put the top 4 stats getters of each side in their best players.

In Essendon's best was J. Johnson. I watched that whole game on TV and P46 went to the game. We both agreed that his disposal both by foot and hand was appalling. He kicked to the opposition one out an incredible number of times, yet the stats said he had a good game.

When I give votes I look at who played 4 quarters and provided the best value to the team. No wonder backmen never win Brownlows. And yes I have given Bolton votes this season.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by cressakel
Considering you thought the majority of the team was poor, I have complied a team of players that we could pick, over the 100 plus year history of the comp, from their graves, retirement and other clubs so that you can never complain about Jude Bolton again and, at the wave of a magic wand, we can suddenly be the best team in the history of the VFL/AFL !!

What does this have to do with anything. The team was poor - so are we not allowed to say that.

The point here is that Jude Bolton is only as good as the weakest link and those weakest links on Saturday included Matthews ( nearly punched the tv watching this painfull player at play ), Goodes, Doyle, Schneider etc etc.

Yep - they were all poor also. However, that doesn't mean Bolton also cannot play better than he did.

P.S. The comparisons between Greg Williams' dynamic handballs and Brett Kirks' " hospital and get yourself in further trouble " handballs are hilarious.

I was simply responding to this comment - "F%#@*ng handballs don't win games of footy" which is obviously not true.

[swansrule100]

the team lost... who cares... its the whole teams fault... each man is only as good as the rest allow him to be... not one player on the list doesnt need a list.... maybe barry hall doesnt but thats it