$3000 Man

[Damien]

Originally posted by chammond
Another 3 Brownlow votes in the bag for Bolton J, no doubt.

BOG against the best team in the land . . . . must be worth nearly $350k by now!

Jude BOG?

He was tough and got posessions, but not BOG surely.

[NMWBloods]

I wouldn't have even put him in our best list. He had a reasonable amount of the ball, but plenty of his possessions continue to be ineffective or have little effect. He tries hard and is solid, but nothing more than a "good ordinary footballer." Yet again didn't do a lot of damage to Brisbane. Just an okay game.

Anyone who thinks he was BOG is simply focussing on stats and not actually looking at what he does with the ball.

[Damien]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I wouldn't have even put him in our best list. He had a reasonable amount of the ball, but plenty of his possessions continue to be ineffective or have little effect. He tries hard and is solid, but nothing more than a "good ordinary footballer." Yet again didn't do a lot of damage to Brisbane. Just an okay game.

Anyone who thinks he was BOG is simply focussing on stats and not actually looking at what he does with the ball.

Exactly.

Somehow I think if Jude looked like Jason Ball, these ridiculous Jude love ins wouldn't happen on this board.

He just tries to get the best out of himself. He isn't a superstar.

[Nico]

Originally posted by swansrule100
wonder if people will eat their words if he goes close to a brownlow

I wouldn't do the Swansrule. I would just accept the fact, and it would confirm, that the umpires this year have NFI.

Played a good game last night with few errors. Very serviceable. If he plays like that each week you won't hear much from me on Jude.

[chammond]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Anyone who thinks he was BOG is simply focussing on stats and not actually looking at what he does with the ball.

On the contrary, those who deny Bolton his worth are refusing to face the facts and are relying on their own unsupportable biases.

Somehow I think if Jude looked like Jason Ball, these ridiculous Jude love ins wouldn't happen on this board.

And this is a perfect example . . . he's a pretty boy so we must dislike him (and deny his ability) as a matter of principle (i.e. macho bull****).

Played a good game last night with few errors. Very serviceable.

Exactly . . . that's what any unbiased observer would have concluded . . . in a good all round team effort he played well and racked up the most possessions. He had as good a claim as anyone to being BOG.

BTW . . . wasn't Fosdike good last night . . . a real asset to the team!

[Damien]

Originally posted by chammond

And this is a perfect example . . . he's a pretty boy so we must dislike him (and deny his ability) as a matter of principle (i.e. macho bull****).

Huh? You are making a wild generalisation in trying to prove your point! Not sure you would find any supporters who dislike Jude.

I really like Jude, so tough and tries his hardest. Looks has nothing to do with my opinion of him. He just isn't as effective with the ball as most other players in the team.

[Newbie]

Apart from courage, Jude Bolton is also well-known for his wobbly old kick. Dont know how many times, the commentators used this term when commenting about his play .

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by chammond
On the contrary, those who deny Bolton his worth are refusing to face the facts and are relying on their own unsupportable biases.

I'm not being biased - I simply base my views on what he actually does not on the total of his stats, which is meaningless by itself. Serviceable is a good description of his game.

I also note that when I went to the effort of describing everything he did in the previous game to illustrate my views, those who do think Bolton was great last week didn't comment. I could do the same again this week and produce a similar outcome, but I can't be bothered as some people want to have their views and are not willing to address counter-arguments.

Exactly . . . that's what any unbiased observer would have concluded . . . in a good all round team effort he played well and racked up the most possessions. He had as good a claim as anyone to being BOG.

Serviceable games rarely warrant BOG considerations. Usually a player is voted BOG because his performance is so good as to be a critical factor in the result or he played outstandingly well. Bolton's game doesn't fit either of those IMO. A lot of people focus on his possession numbers, which is only part of it.

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by Damien

He just tries to get the best out of himself. He isn't a superstar.

And he does a bloody good job at doing that.

Can't you people just leave it at that? We can not ask anymore from any player other than doing their best. Last night showed us just what the players can acheive when they ALL play at their best.

Stop harping on the negatives and look at the positives.

It has got to a point that people are just posting Bull**** on this subject to try and drag other people into a slanging match.

You all have your own opinions and you all have expressed them. Now just drop it.

[NMWBloods]

Why drop it? Someone raises this fresh and suggests he was BOG. Other people should be able to counter that with their views. I think players should be assessed according to how they played - not pushed up above their performance and not dragged down and unnecessarily bagged.

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
[B]I also note that when I went to the effort of describing everything he did in the previous game to illustrate my views, those who do think Bolton was great last week didn't comment.

NMW, to be honest, I think its because people are sick of the whole argument. Not because anyones views have been changed. But I liked what you did with the stats.

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why drop it? Someone raises this fresh and suggests he was BOG. Other people should be able to counter that with their views. I think players should be assessed according to how they played - not pushed up above their performance and not dragged down and unnecessarily bagged.

NMW clear out your PMs

[penga]

Jude "Battling" Bolton

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy
NMW, to be honest, I think its because people are sick of the whole argument. Not because anyones views have been changed. But I liked what you did with the stats.

I can see that with regard to the argument, but if some people are going to keep raving about how well he played then some people unfortunately are going to feel obliged to comment. Just the nature of the beast.

NMW clear out your PMs

Done!

[chammond]

Originally posted by NMWBloods

I also note that when I went to the effort of describing everything he did in the previous game to illustrate my views, those who do think Bolton was great last week didn't comment. I could do the same again this week and produce a similar outcome, but I can't be bothered as some people want to have their views and are not willing to address counter-arguments.

There was no point in commenting on your analysis . . . you were not presenting any new facts, merely providing more opinion. And of course any further analysis you do will come up with the same outcome, because your opinions will get in the way. I could describe those same quarters to back up my own opinion . . . what would that change?

I'm not stating that your opinion is wrong . . . by definition, opinions can't be right or wrong.

I've certainly got no wish to change your opinion . . . I'm stating a contrary opinion, which I believe is backed up by facts.

Serviceable games rarely warrant BOG considerations. Usually a player is voted BOG because his performance is so good as to be a critical factor in the result or he played outstandingly well.

No it doesn't . . . . best on ground means best on ground. If every player plays crap, then the BOG will also have played crap . . . "critical factor" and "outstandingly well" have got nothing to do with it. You just have to be best on ground!

You all have your own opinions and you all have expressed them. Now just drop it.

All opinions are valid . . . except people who leave Vic to live in WA . . . the opinions of such people are highly suspect and should generally be disregarded!