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  • Newbie
    On the Rookie List
    • Mar 2003
    • 720

    #16
    Disagree that Mathews is valueless. When Williams was traded to Sydney, IIRC Collingwood was asking for Mathews to go the other way.

    Mathews would certainly attract interest if he is made available to the meat market.

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    • swansrule100
      The quarterback
      • May 2004
      • 4538

      #17
      Originally posted by midaro
      Exactly, we're not going to get the quality midfielder we are desperate for, if we're not prepared to give up some quality - and the one (only) area we have a surplus of quality is medium forwards.

      That means O'Keefe or O'Loughlin (no-one would touch Davis).

      i like your scales and method and its a cool system u worked out

      but u lost me when u suggested mathews would go by 2006! :P
      Theres not much left to say

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      • Bleed Red Blood
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2003
        • 2057

        #18
        I think Mathews should be made a full time back pocket ala Chris Johnson next year with alot more players being added to the midfield.

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        • bandwagon
          Regular in the Side
          • May 2003
          • 585

          #19
          Thanks for posting this midaro - excellent work! Though I to would disagree with your assessment of Mathews. Clearly no champion but not a dud either as 5 consecutive top 10 finishes in the B&F indicate. Would of course be tradeable, I think his application and persistance could be very valuable at some clubs with very weak midfields (are you listening Richmond?).

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          • Red
            Foreign Correspondent
            • Jan 2003
            • 651

            #20
            Whoops
            Last edited by Red; 24 August 2004, 05:41 PM.
            To all those people who waited 72 years to see a South Melbourne/Sydney Swans premiership HERE IT IS!!

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            • Red
              Foreign Correspondent
              • Jan 2003
              • 651

              #21
              And again. Sorry.
              To all those people who waited 72 years to see a South Melbourne/Sydney Swans premiership HERE IT IS!!

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              • swansrule100
                The quarterback
                • May 2004
                • 4538

                #22
                anyone is tradeable for the right deal

                its just some players eg Hall would require brisbane to send over akker, voss, lappin, power and black ...maybe chuck in bradshaw :P



                id be tempted to say no!
                Theres not much left to say

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                • midaro
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1042

                  #23
                  Originally posted by swansrule100
                  anyone is tradeable for the right deal...
                  Maybe. But there's a lot of ground between 'possible' and 'probable'. IMO the breakdown is like this...

                  Legitimate Trade Currency
                  Ryan O'Keefe
                  Nic Fosdike
                  Jason Saddington (if the knee can be overlooked)
                  Jude Bolton

                  Under Exceptional Conditions
                  Adam Goodes (only if he really won't play ruck again)
                  Michael O'Loughlin (absolutely not if O'Keefe is traded)

                  My best case realistic trade for this year would be:
                  OUT: O'Keefe + Fosdike
                  IN: M McVeigh + Hayes (Not sure of contract status)

                  Maybe with draft picks to even things out.

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                  • DST
                    The voice of reason!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2705

                    #24
                    A very insightfull and interesting post.

                    Just a shame about your comments about Ben Mathews, you lost me after that. With that one comment about him being delisted iby 2006 you have managed to undo all your good work.

                    Mathews is no champion, but he is and will always be an integral part of any team structure. One of our few out and out ball winners.

                    DST
                    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                    • midaro
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1042

                      #25
                      I really can't believe that no-one at all agrees with me about Mathews. Around here, usually any position - no matter how outlandish - can find at least a single ally Oh well.

                      I'm quite prepared to acknowledge that I may be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the first time



                      To be honest I am surprised by his possession numbers: they are far higher and more consistent than I assumed (not that that's everything).

                      I guess he's a player I've just overlooked.

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                      • robbieando
                        The King
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2750

                        #26
                        Originally posted by midaro
                        My best case realistic trade for this year would be:
                        OUT: O'Keefe + Fosdike
                        IN: M McVeigh + Hayes (Not sure of contract status)
                        There would be very few players I would trade O'Keefe for and McVeigh and Hayes aren't on that list. If we want McVeigh all it will take is a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick and with Hayes, St Kilda won't trade their captain no matter how good the offer is. Anyway he is still under contract and has said he wants to stay in Melbourne.

                        On trading O'Keefe, its one thing to say he is easily replaceable, its another thing to find that replacement. Tell who else in our team is capable of doing what O'Keefe has done since the middle of last season? You can hardly match him up, plays well above his height and is deadly in front of goal. I would say O'Loughlin, but then again he is unable to play up the ground like O'Keefe can.

                        With Magic on his last legs and no real options playing in Canberra to replace him, why trade O'Keefe???? Our trade bait this season will be Ablett, Fosdike and Saddington. Thats all and in all likelyhood at least two of them will still be on our list next season. Keep dreaming of the Swans trading for a superstar, because there won't be one this year capable of filling the needs we have and want to fill.
                        Once was, now elsewhere

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                        • cruiser
                          What the frack!
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 6114

                          #27
                          O'Keefe has been excellent this year. I can't believe that so many of you appear to regard him as trade bait. Why dismantle such a superb forward line that is now beginning to really click.
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                          • Schneiderman
                            The Fourth Captain
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1615

                            #28
                            Originally posted by midaro
                            I really can't believe that no-one at all agrees with me about Mathews. Around here, usually any position - no matter how outlandish - can find at least a single ally Oh well.
                            No you have one here. I only disgree with you on his value. He could very well be traded for a talented but less tough midfielder in a team that has many weak midfielders. Adelaide and Freo seem to have a few like that, so who knows? Especially if they are trying to free up some salary cap room. Unlikely though.

                            I think our best options really remain in the draft. Picking young smokees like Bevan and Schneider may be the only way we can capture a classy young midfielder. For experience we will have to rely on another Williams (grossly undervalued by Collingwood IMO).

                            We are much better placed to pick up a younger KPP, at the moment, and the best trade options are:

                            Macelski
                            McGlone
                            Sundqvist
                            Matthews
                            Saddo
                            Thewlis
                            James
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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9723

                              #29
                              Originally posted by midaro
                              I really can't believe that no-one at all agrees with me about Mathews. Around here, usually any position - no matter how outlandish - can find at least a single ally Oh well.

                              I'm quite prepared to acknowledge that I may be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the first time



                              To be honest I am surprised by his possession numbers: they are far higher and more consistent than I assumed (not that that's everything).

                              I guess he's a player I've just overlooked.
                              I have to admit that I kind of agree with you about Mathews.
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                              • ScottH
                                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 23665

                                #30
                                Originally posted by stellation
                                I have to admit that I kind of agree with you about Mathews.
                                IMHO ben has been one of the unsung heros this year. A quiet acheiver.

                                He regularly manages to get his hands on the ball(as the stats prove). He just doesn't always use it as well as he should.

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