The RWO Factor

[NMWBloods]

"Maybe Williams"...

As for Davis, 13 disposals and 1.5 goals per game is okay. Not great, but not bad.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
So I ask the question again, perhaps you might be able to answer it without resorting to just a wild statement.

Well when he has been in the team we have looked a much more capable forward line.

His value in the Hawthorn game was reflected in 4 goals (should have had a couple more too), and the last two weeks have seen him harass and crumb in the forward line, resulting in a number of goals or goal assists.

We should also not forget the role he played in the midfield against the Lions, where his skill and flair set up many of the second half goals we scored.

[Chubby Muffler]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
"Maybe Williams"...

How good is to have him back, just class.

[Chubby Muffler]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
We should also not forget the role he played in the midfield against the Lions, where his skill and flair set up many of the second half goals we scored.

Yup and the attacking pressure he put on the Carlton defenders that led to an O'Keefe(?) goal was hopefully an indication of things to come. Plus his boot came off but he still kept at it.

[Whitefox]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
Can you just refresh my memory to exactly what Nick Davis has done this year?

Hasn't been weak or soft.

[ROK Lobster]

Well I for one think McGlone should get a run this year.

[Whitefox]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
As for Davis, 13 disposals and 1.5 goals per game is okay. Not great, but not bad.

It's more the other things he's done like not hesitating to throw himself into a situation where pain could be the end result - which is something some on here didn't think he could or would do.

[Doctor J.]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
"Maybe Williams"...

As for Davis, 13 disposals and 1.5 goals per game is okay. Not great, but not bad.

Middle of the road average I would call those stats.

Davis has done nothing YET to be considered anything other than average. Footy clubs are full of em. Not saying he wont, but he has done nothing at this club to even consider putting him in the same class as MOL, Goodes, Williams, etc.

And to those that keep putting words in my mouth, or should I say keyboard, no I don't think he should be dropped, all I am asking is for some sort of back up to the statement that Davis is all class and in the same league as MOL, rather than just rhetoric.

Is that to much to ask???

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
Is that to much to ask???

So you are saying that when you watch him play, he doesn't stand out as having "class"? All of those 50m+ bombs for goal replicated by your average player? Or those freak snaps from the boundary line on the run?

He has class, but has had a history of going missing. So does MOL and Goodes. And ANY team out there would have him in their side (granted that his lack of application to the task would make them a bit nervous).

[Doctor J.]

Originally posted by Whitefox
It's more the other things he's done like not hesitating to throw himself into a situation where pain could be the end result - which is something some on here didn't think he could or would do.

thats expected of every player who puts the jumper on each week.

Why should we be thinking of Davis as any differently to Ben Matthews, who does exactly that each week, and I'm damn sure you wouldn't consider Ben as a classy player and neither should you.

Lets not confuse potential with actual class and talent.

Davis has the potential to be a very good player, but whether he reaches the lofty heights of MOL remains to be seen.

[Doctor J.]

Originally posted by Schneiderman

He has class, but has had a history of going missing.

So has Sean Dempster...but goes missing to the two's

i watch Dempster's long kicking, and sure I say yep as classy as Micky O.

You are confusing potential with class. The two are not the same.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
You are confusing potential with class. The two are not the same.

Actually they are. You are confusing class with stats.

Talent - Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.

Class - chic, classy, dashing, fashionable, foxy, sharp

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Well I for one think McGlone should get a run this year.

SANFL Stats Leaders as at May 22 2005

Possessions
1) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 243
2) Brett James, Nwd ? 219
3) Jeremy Clayton, Port ? 206
4) Adam Fisher, Glenelg ? 201
5) James Gallagher ? Norwood ? 194

Marks
1) Brent Tuckey, Sou ? 64
2) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 62
3) Michael Handby, Sou ? 47
=4) James Gallagher, Nwd ? 46
=4) Anthony Brown, Port ? 46

Kicks
1) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 147
2) Adam Fisher, Glen ? 131
3) Jeremy Clayton, Port ? 125
=4) Stephen Bailey, Nwd ? 125
=4) Stephen Kenna, Sou ? 122

Handballs
1) Brett James, Nwd ? 106
2) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 96
3) Jade Sheedy, St ? 91
4) James Gallagher, Nwd ? 89
5) William Neely , Glen ?87

Hit Outs
1) Daniel Kirk, Glen ? 97
2) Daniel Wakelin, Nth ? 94
3) Paul Lindsay ? Eag ? 91
4) Tim Nicholas ? Nwd ? 88
5) Brett O?Hara ? Eag ? 83

[liz]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
Middle of the road average I would call those stats.

Davis has done nothing YET to be considered anything other than average. Footy clubs are full of em. Not saying he wont, but he has done nothing at this club to even consider putting him in the same class as MOL, Goodes, Williams, etc.

And to those that keep putting words in my mouth, or should I say keyboard, no I don't think he should be dropped, all I am asking is for some sort of back up to the statement that Davis is all class and in the same league as MOL, rather than just rhetoric.

Is that to much to ask???

There's no argument that Davis' output is much lower than Magic's.

One thing that Davis brings to the team (and this could be categorised as class) is his ability to kick goals accurately from well outside 50m. Lots of players can do it on the run but there aren't that many around who can regularly do it from set shots.

We had a discussion about this facet a while ago. One of the knock-on effects is that it affects the defensive tactics of the opposition. Some clubs are prepared to leave the region just outside the 50 relatively open and instead clog up the 50m area to stop teams taking marks 30-40m out.

If you have a player like Davis in the team it impacts on the viability of doing that. Teams then have to spread themselves a bit more widely over their defensive area, with the knock-on effect that more gaps are likely to occur closer to goal. So Davis' ability is likely to create more genuine goal kicking opportunities for his team mates who don't possess his long kicking ability.

Sadly we haven't seen enough of it for the last year and a half.

[Tuesday]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Talent - Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.
Class - chic, classy, dashing, fashionable, foxy, sharp

Dempster has all of those things. Plus a pout worthy of a spot on Parisian catwalks. I do agree he has a tendency to go awol though. But I think he's been fairly consistent when in the seniors this season.