The RWO Factor

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
Middle of the road average I would call those stats.

I never called them anything else.

[chammond]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
SANFL Stats Leaders as at May 22 2005


Possessions
1) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 243
2) Brett James, Nwd ? 219
3) Jeremy Clayton, Port ? 206
4) Adam Fisher, Glenelg ? 201
5) James Gallagher ? Norwood ? 194

Marks
1) Brent Tuckey, Sou ? 64
2) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 62
3) Michael Handby, Sou ? 47
=4) James Gallagher, Nwd ? 46
=4) Anthony Brown, Port ? 46

Kicks
1) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 147
2) Adam Fisher, Glen ? 131
3) Jeremy Clayton, Port ? 125
=4) Stephen Bailey, Nwd ? 125
=4) Stephen Kenna, Sou ? 122

Handballs
1) Brett James, Nwd ? 106
2) Scott McGlone, Sou ? 96
3) Jade Sheedy, St ? 91
4) James Gallagher, Nwd ? 89
5) William Neely , Glen ?87

Hit Outs
1) Daniel Kirk, Glen ? 97
2) Daniel Wakelin, Nth ? 94
3) Paul Lindsay ? Eag ? 91
4) Tim Nicholas ? Nwd ? 88
5) Brett O?Hara ? Eag ? 83

No wonder he couldn't make it in the AFL . . . he's hopeless at hit outs!

[Charlie]

Originally posted by chammond
No wonder he couldn't make it in the AFL . . . he's hopeless at hit outs!

Certainly does make you wonder 'what if'. The SANFL is at least the third and probably second strongest league in Australia... if he's starring there, he would have been worth a try in the seniors... but what's done is done.

He's still only 20-21... wouldn't surprise me in the least if we saw him become a mature-age pick-up for one of the SA clubs.

[liz]

While not wanting to knock the SANFL unduly, there is a huge difference between football at that level and football at AFL level.

For example, Ryan O'Connor won a Magery Medal within a couple of years of leaving the Swans.

McGlone never had a problem getting the ball with the Swans reserves but his disposal was inconsistent and lacked penetration. Having ball magnets in a team can be a good thing but 15 quality disposals from a midfielder is far more valuable than 30 dodgy or mediocre ones.

That said, I wish McGlone well and if he ever gets another chance at AFL level I hope he makes the most of it.

[stellation]

This question

Originally posted by Doctor J.
Why should we be thinking of Davis as any differently to Ben Matthews.

is perhaps best answered by this (discussing another player)

Originally posted by liz
15 quality disposals from a midfielder is far more valuable than 30 dodgy or mediocre ones.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by liz
While not wanting to knock the SANFL unduly, there is a huge difference between football at that level and football at AFL level.

Sorry Liz, but that really is a nothing statement. It can be said about any league in the country - the AFL is always massively in front.

If you accept that form in the SANFL doesn't show anything because of the lesser standard than the AFL, then form anywhere counts for nothing. That is clearly not the case.

McGlone never had a problem getting the ball with the Swans reserves but his disposal was inconsistent and lacked penetration. Having ball magnets in a team can be a good thing but 15 quality disposals from a midfielder is far more valuable than 30 dodgy or mediocre ones.

Sure, and if he coudln't improve his disposal he wouldn't have made it. All I'm saying is that if he can top the stats lists in the SANFL, he should have been worth a shot. Perhaps implicit here is another problem with the Canberra league - McGlone is clearly a very good footballer, at least at state league level... but we didn't spot it. Why is that? Could it be that the standard of the Canberra league is too low for us to sort the wheat from the chaff?

[giant]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
thats expected of every player who puts the jumper on each week.

Why should we be thinking of Davis as any differently to Ben Matthews, who does exactly that each week, and I'm damn sure you wouldn't consider Ben as a classy player and neither should you.

Lets not confuse potential with actual class and talent.

Davis has the potential to be a very good player, but whether he reaches the lofty heights of MOL remains to be seen.

If you can't tell the difference between Ben Matthews & Davis this discussion is rather pointless.

I love that Davis has added some hardness to his game but that doesn't constitute class. "Class" is going back & drilling a vital goal from 60m from the set shot; class is roving the ball beautifully from the boundary ruck tap & snapping it cleanly over your shoulder. And class is permanent, not temporary- it does these things more often than not. Davis is more potential than delivery atm but unlike many other "potentials" in our squad, he is potential class not potential journeyman.

And they are players you never ditch (unless they sleep with the vice captain's wife or similar).

[barry]

Originally posted by liz
My memory has been jogged by the MOL thread...

Not so long ago, some RWO'ers were demanding that Magic be dropped to the twos because he wasn't fit enough to play senior football.

I guess we're all relieved that Roosey didn't take up on that suggestion!

I still think MOL should have come back through the 2's. He wasnt fit enough, and gave us absolutely nothing for his first couple of games. I'd have rather seen a Vogels or similar player given a go at FF for that period.

[Mark]

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[Wil]

GIVE SCOTT MCGLONE A RUN IN THE SENIORS!!!!111oneone Oh someone beat me to it

Davis had another injury year - he is a player that can not afford those due to the mental part of the game.

As we all saw early this season - his potential is in the midfield and can become our best attacking midfielder if he can get a uninterrupted season together.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by barry
I still think MOL should have come back through the 2's. He wasnt fit enough, and gave us absolutely nothing for his first couple of games. I'd have rather seen a Vogels or similar player given a go at FF for that period.

While in general I agree that players shouldn't return directly to the firsts after injury, I'd make MOL the sole exception. He's such a wreck that your never gunna get him fully fit.
And I do mean sole, I thought NickD should have had a game in the centre in the ACTFL and give his spot to Schmidt for example.

[andy0414]

The value of having Nick Davis in the team is that he can take a one on one mark and is a very good kick at goal. If he stays fit and is played in the foreward he will be seen as one of our best players.

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by Ruckman

And I do mean sole, I thought NickD should have had a game in the centre in the ACTFL and give his spot to Schmidt for example.

Maybe that's the difference between class and potential. They went with what was required.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
Maybe that's the difference between class and potential. They went with what was required.

That's a bit short sighted RW. I think a game against Weston Creek would have done Nick's fitness, confidence and hunger to achieve the world of good... It would have increased the size of the crowd anyway.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

"The value of having Nick Davis in the team is that he can take a one on one mark and was a very good kick at goal"
Although he's running at less than 50% this year, perhaps that's because he's not fit?