Great game LRT

[Schneiderman]

The thing to keep in mind here is that he is NOT playing on the best forward any week. Certainly not the opposition FF, and not even the opposition CHF if they are of a high calibre. From memory the best player he has been on this year was Scott Lucas, but he wouldn't stand a chance against Tredrea, J Brown, Darcy or Reiwoldt.

Now imagine that Carey was still playing, or Bazza was playing for an opposition side.

IMO our "CHB" should take the oppositions' CHF or their best tall forward if they go with a small forward line. Otherwise its laughable to call him a "CHB" at all. A "tall defender" is about all, and really his only current skill is to spoil and tackle.

Certainly LuRTch is no Cornes, Leppitsch, Grant, Harley, or McPharlin. And whilst I agree a really good true FB would be just as valuable, replacing LuRTch with a true CHB would mean a massive boost to our defence.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Certainly not the opposition FF, and not even the opposition CHF if they are of a high calibre. From memory the best player he has been on this year was Scott Lucas, but he wouldn't stand a chance against Tredrea, J Brown, Darcy or Reiwoldt.

He played on Riewolt and was beaten, indeed the whole team were awfull that day. He also played on and did ok on West Coast's Hanson earlier this year and beat Ports Thurston.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
The thing to keep in mind here is that he is NOT playing on the best forward any week. Certainly not the opposition FF, and not even the opposition CHF if they are of a high calibre. From memory the best player he has been on this year was Scott Lucas, but he wouldn't stand a chance against Tredrea, J Brown, Darcy or Reiwoldt.

He did play on Riewoldt. Darcy & Brown didn't play us. LRT isn't our main defender so obviously Barry will get the best forward - someone has to take the others.

Now imagine that Carey was still playing, or Bazza was playing for an opposition side.

He'd get smashed. Just like Ferguson did and Wilson did when we played Freo - but their supporters were actually relatively happy because they are developing players and they tried hard. Long term it will help them.

IMO our "CHB" should take the oppositions' CHF or their best tall forward if they go with a small forward line. Otherwise its laughable to call him a "CHB" at all. A "tall defender" is about all, and really his only current skill is to spoil and tackle.

Brisbane's CHB does not take the best forward. Their FB takes him if he's a FF. Let's not expect things of LRT that aren't fair - no-one is saying that he's our main defender.

Certainly LuRTch is no Cornes, Leppitsch, Grant, Harley, or McPharlin. And whilst I agree a really good true FB would be just as valuable, replacing LuRTch with a true CHB would mean a massive boost to our defence.

We don't have one and at the moment he's our best option. He's still young so, as I've said before, as long as he doesn't cost us games it's worth persisting with him.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Sean
Brisbane's CHB does not take the best forward. Their FB takes him if he's a FF. Let's not expect things of LRT that aren't fair - no-one is saying that he's our main defender.

Read my post again... CHF or best tall if they go with a small forward line.

And I'll think you'll all find that when C Bolton has been moved onto the CHF LRT is failing to hold (Whitnall is a good example) he does a better job. That just means our current choice for CHB is not up to it IMO. Time will tell if it improves, but it will be very hard to win a premiership with the current LRT at CHB.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Read my post again... CHF or best tall if they go with a small forward line.

Apologies. LRT did take the best tall against the Bulldogs - the only small forward line that I remember us playing. However, that wasn't exactly the most difficult test he'll ever face.

And I'll think you'll all find that when C Bolton has been moved onto the CHF LRT is failing to hold (Whitnall is a good example) he does a better job.

Schauble played on Whitnall. LRT was on him for about 1 minute - just long enough for the umpires to help the opposition.

Anyway, Bolton is a far better player than LRT. Again, no-one is saying that LRT is anything more than average (except barry maybe) but he is doing his job OK and he is still young.

Time will tell if it improves, but it will be very hard to win a premiership with the current LRT at CHB.

How do you get a CHB that is going to help us win a flag if you aren't willing to develop what we've got?

[Newbie]

I think we should remember that LRT did match up against Holland earlier in the season and the difference between the two performances is noticable.

For this reason, I doubt if LRT will perform worse against Lucas or Riewoldt second time around. First, LRT is improving. Second, LRT should have a better understanding of how those guys usually play by then.

Young talls usualy look very uncordinated so it does not bother me if LRT looks that way at the moment.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Nomatter what Schneiderman, LRT's performance is improving far faster than CBolt's height is increasing.

[Thunder Shaker]

Maybe Roosy ran out of points for his dream team?

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Ruckman
Nomatter what Schneiderman, LRT's performance is improving far faster than CBolt's height is increasing.

Yes. But next year we need to seriously look at options in Vogels or Campbell rather than keeping our focus on LuRTch.

He still needs to improve at an exponential rate to catch up to the talent both have already displayed.

FFS this is the blurb on Campbell on the Swans website: "A tall key position defender who can play in the ruck, Campbell made a big impression with the Bendigo Bombers in 2004 and was his side's best player in a final against Tasmania. Takes a good mark."

That may NEVER be said about LuRTch.

[ugg]

Campbell won't make it. He'll be too old to make the rookie list next year and hasn't shown anything great in the games I've seen him so I doubt he'll be promoted.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Campbell?????
Oh Boy!

Originally posted by Schneiderman
FFS this is the blurb on Campbell on the Swans website: "A tall key position defender who can play in the ruck, Campbell made a big impression with the Bendigo Bombers in 2004 and was his side's best player in a final against Tasmania. Takes a good mark."

While I never saw the lad in his Bendigo days and so I can't comment on his performance there I'd still ask, why if he's so good, did the Bombers not draft him before us?

On the other hand I've seen him play at least 10 games live, up forward and in defence and frankly I think the reason he wasn't drafted is because he ain't that good.

Originally posted by Schneiderman
He still needs to improve at an exponential rate to catch up to the talent both have already displayed." [/B]

Complaining about the pace of LRT's developement, and comparing it unfavourably to Campbell is absurd. LRT is 18 months younger and has played maybe 1/3rd as many games of Aussie Rules as the former Bendigo Bomber.

I am however hopefull about the breadman, although as a forward.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Ruckman
I am however hopefull about the breadman, although as a forward.

...where we are over-abundantly talented compared to our backline.

Again from the Swans website: "A key position defender, Vogels played with the Geelong Falcons before winning the Hampden League best and fairest with Terang-Mortlake in 2004 and then being invited to train with the Swans in the lead-up to the rookie draft."

I say try him at CHB. And to be really fair he should get as much a shot at it as LRT.

[barry]

If you are so desperate to put Vogels into the backline, why not Full back where all our problems are at the moment ?

[sharpie]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
He still needs to improve at an exponential rate to catch up to the talent both have already displayed.

When exactly have these 2 already displayed their talent that is supposedly so far superior to LRT's?

Let's see. Now Vogels has played one good game against the Bulldogs, kicking 3 goals. Ok, so he looks to have some promise as a forward. But he's never, EVER, been played in defense in the seniors.

Campbell? He doesn't dominate the reserves. Everytime LRT has played in the ressies in the last 2 years he has dominated the game all over the ground.

As for displaying talent, can you go past LRT's rising star nomination? Surely that displays some sort of talent? So what if he was playing in the ruck for that game, he still achieved far more in that game than either of the other 2 ever have.

[midaro]

Originally posted by sharpie
As for displaying talent, can you go past LRT's rising star nomination?

Please don't go there. Rising star nominations are meaningless.