Great game LRT

[giant]

Originally posted by midaro
Please don't go there. Rising star nominations are meaningless.

LOL. They are the Grammies of AFL. Milli & Vanilli would both have won RS noms.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by sharpie
[B]When exactly have these 2 already displayed their talent that is supposedly so far superior to LRT's?

Are you seriously saying they are LESS talented than LRT?

Vogels has clearly got better skills and vision than LRT, and yes he hasn't been played down back... which is my point really. Campbell may well be the one that got away because he cant crack it into the senior side now, and cant be a rookie next year.

All I ask is that we work to improve our backline, and rely on more than LRT for our CHB/tall options. If he really is the best option we have going in that role at the moment, we are seriously stuffed if he gets injured.

And I am all for using Vogels as a FB, but I just dont think its his position. I was hopeful earlier this year when Roos tried LRT at FB, but he would do us damage down there by the looks of it.

We can survive with LRT at CHB, but can we create enough drive and rebound with him in that spot (on top of no true FB) to win a premiership?

[lachlanc]

all this brings us back to Schaubs, who is a full-back if there ever was one, and we need to ask why is he not getting a game given our problems in defence. sure, he's not fast, but he can punch and he can take a mark - in fact he took a screamer in one of the few games he played. i'd be in favour of getting back in there and running into some form for the finals. unfortunately i only ever get to watch the games on tv - which is obviously imperfect - but i didn't think his form was that bad to play himself out of contention for a spot in the seniors.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by lachlanc
but i didn't think his form was that bad to play himself out of contention for a spot in the seniors.

Ahhh.... the deepest mystery currently. Next would be whether Stewie will every play again. Best of luck to both of them.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Are you seriously saying they are LESS talented than LRT?

As a defender I'm not sure if many people could answer that. LRT is actually quite a good defender - the problems start when he has the ball. Although, it hasn't been mentioned yet that he did hit a target with his left foot on Saturday

Vogels has clearly got better skills and vision than LRT, and yes he hasn't been played down back... which is my point really. Campbell may well be the one that got away because he cant crack it into the senior side now, and cant be a rookie next year.

There have been comments made about Vogel's accountability but I've not noticed anything myself. Anyway, why do we need to have them compete? We only have one KP in defence so if Vogels could go back there that would be great. He could be CHB, LRT could be FB & Tadhg could move into the midfield. Then, all we need to do next year is make some room in our trophy cabinet!

We can survive with LRT at CHB, but can we create enough drive and rebound with him in that spot (on top of no true FB) to win a premiership?

He doesn't need to - although it would be great if he did. With Leo, Tadhg, B2, Crouch and so on back there we have enough options when it comes to this - just an extra tall (like Vogels) may free up the others a bit.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Sean
He doesn't need to - although it would be great if he did. With Leo, Tadhg, B2, Crouch and so on back there we have enough options when it comes to this - just an extra tall (like Vogels) may free up the others a bit.

Maybe. But I think a really good CHB to complement a really good CHF is ideal. Someone in the Paul Roos mould would be ideal right now.

[Mark]

Originally posted by lachlanc
and we need to ask why is he not getting a game given our problems in defence.

What are these problems we have in defence ?

Third ranked defence in the comp, behind Adelaide and WCE !

After that St Kilda and Geelong are the only ones close then daylight by a mile

Don't create problems where they dont exist, we are strong defensively and have been for a good few seasons now.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Maybe. But I think a really good CHB to complement a really good CHF is ideal. Someone in the Paul Roos mould would be ideal right now.

Yeap, someone in Paul Kelly mould would be ideal right now for our midfield too. I reckon, Wayne Carey would do alright in our forward line too .

[sharpie]

Originally posted by midaro
Please don't go there. Rising star nominations are meaningless.

I did consider that when I was typing the post earlier, but I still think it is a valid point. Surely few could argue that he did deserve the nomination following that game against Adelaide, IIRC.

[barry]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Are you seriously saying they are LESS talented than LRT?

I think thats a given.

Vogels is fast becoming a one-game wonder languishing in the 2's, and Campbell is just languishing.

Vogels has clearly got better skills and vision than LRT, and yes he hasn't been played down back... which is my point really. Campbell may well be the one that got away because he cant crack it into the senior side now, and cant be a rookie next year.

Vogels may be a better kick, but so far he hasnt shown half the application and temprament required to be an AFL footballer.
Campbell? I cant beleive he is even in the equation.

Vogels as a CHB or FB would be an extremely risky venture with very limited potential for success. His lack of chasing and accountability was evident in his one good game up forward.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by barry
Vogels is fast becoming a one-game wonder languishing in the 2's, and hasnt shown half the application and temprament required to be an AFL footballer.

His lack of chasing and accountability was evident in his one good game up forward.

And you accuse others of silliness. Vogels has gone well enough for his first year on an AFL list. He will be given further opportunities. Whether or not he takes full advantage of them we will have to wait and see.

[barry]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
And you accuse others of silliness. Vogels has gone well enough for his first year on an AFL list. He will be given further opportunities. Whether or not he takes full advantage of them we will have to wait and see.

I'd wager tha Vogels wont be on our list in 3 years time.

Anyway, ahead of him for 1st year-ers are:
Malceski,
Moore,
Dempster

[Sean]

Originally posted by barry
I'd wager tha Vogels wont be on our list in 3 years time.

Anyway, ahead of him for 1st year-ers are:
Malceski,
Moore,
Dempster

None of those players are KPPs so it's not really relevant who is ahead of who. Vogels is competing with Powell, Campbell, Grundy, James & so on. He's ahead of all of them at this point.

Considering we have a shortage of talls, I'd expect Vogels to have no trouble keeping his spot - who knows what will happen in 3 years.

[giant]

Originally posted by Sean
Considering we have a shortage of talls, I'd expect Vogels to have no trouble keeping his spot - who knows what will happen in 3 years.

That's why forums like this have archives.

[barry]

Originally posted by Sean
None of those players are KPPs so it's not really relevant who is ahead of who. Vogels is competing with Powell, Campbell, Grundy, James & so on. He's ahead of all of them at this point.

Considering we have a shortage of talls, I'd expect Vogels to have no trouble keeping his spot - who knows what will happen in 3 years.

We have an abundance of talls which is why Schuable and Saddington cant get a game. Vogels is behind both of those "talls".