2025 List Management

[UUaswan]

I don't think the holes are that big I just think the way we play is exposing us at times.

[The Big Cat]

[QUOTE=Roadrunner;
So we need to be smarter and more daring in our selections and then not lose talent like Darcy Cameron, for goodness sake! It’s so frustrating to see him among the best every week for the Pies……….[/QUOTE]

Kurt Tippett breaking down and retiring cost us big time. We lost both Cameron and Nankervis who left chasing more opportunities.

[Roadrunner]

Kurt Tippett breaking down and retiring cost us big time. We lost both Cameron and Nankervis who left chasing more opportunities.

Agreed- it’s hard to keep everyone happy but still, we could have done more to keep them for at least 1 more season! Especially Nank, but I’m crying over spilt milk now.

[UUaswan]

Agreed- it’s hard to keep everyone happy but still, we could have done more to keep them for at least 1 more season! Especially Nank, but I’m crying over spilt milk now.

Grundy and Ladhams are more than enough just need to use them smarter, share it more, give Grundy more bench.

He was an All Australian after 15 rds last year then fell off a cliff when we ran him into the ground.

Same for Rowy, I think he is more than capable than Hewett who is killing it at Carlton but just needs to be backed in and used properly.

Most of them have it in them given the opportunity, look at Bice, was the best thing in town 3 weeks ago when he showed what he was capable of, he is to new to be consistent but it shows if you let them play they actually can play.

We need to change something in the mids as quick clearances and entries into our D50 will destroy us against GWS. Any reason Ramps cant play the HBF or Wing like most guys his age are doing ?

[SwanSand]

I would even say we are having trouble with the front half game and locking it in. Why not put Rampe in there to defend the ball in front half and see what happens

[UUaswan]

I would even say we are having trouble with the front half game and locking it in. Why not put Rampe in there to defend the ball in front half and see what happens

He needs a refresh, playing underside for 10yrs can't be easy, we are flush with talls so should be doable.

Will most likely play Toby Greene this weekend though

[Auntie.Gerald]

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/blake-leidler/

Any thoughts on how Blake is developing

I havent seen any reserves games this year

[liz]

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/blake-leidler/

Any thoughts on how Blake is developing

I havent seen any reserves games this year

He was injured to start the year. I only watched bits of last week’s game, but Leidler had a few moments that caught the eye.

[BRS328]

He needs a refresh, playing underside for 10yrs can't be easy, we are flush with talls so should be doable.

Will most likely play Toby Greene this weekend though

Agree with you on Rampe. He has done it before and has the physical attributes to compete with Green

[BRS328]

Don’t believe a thing about any club being interested in him right now. They’re not. In fact, unless something changes radically, he won’t be playing AFL next year.

When the AFL asked Buddy and Eddie Betts to lend a hand, he waved them off. The club and AFL are at the point of trying to void his contract (which will require a fight with the AFLPA and a settlement).

Whatever the origins of it all or any mental health issues involved, it’s got way past that. He’s off the rails, showing no interest in playing AFL, and he’s likely to soon find no one wants a piece of him either.

Not so sure about that. He will be a risk, but if you don’t have to give much away is well worth taking. Jamara will know that it will be his last chance. There is no doubt that someone will take the opportunity, and most likely it will be an interstate club

[ISIBIDBI]

I think it is worth considering what our best 23 actually looks if everybody was fit (fanciful I know), but I had some thoughts around it and would love to hear what others think too. So this is my hypothetical best 23, with some commentary below:


FB: Wicks McCartin Rampe
HB: Cunningham Melican Roberts
C: McInerney Mills Gulden
HF: Warner/Heeney McDonald Jordon
FF: McLean/Ladhams Amartey Papley
RR: Grundy Blakey Warner/Heeney
I: Rowbottom Bice Campbell Hayward Fox (Sub)


First of all, I have put Blakey in the midfield, I think his immense talent is being a bit wasted at HB, he is a solid defender who can really open the game up with his run and tends to make things happen. I think it would be a very interesting experiment to put him into the midfield, he could be a real game changer for us, bursting from contest and setting play up in the front half, obviously his contested ball winning ability is questionable but I think we should at least try it and find out. Of our other midfielders, I think Mills has showed he is at his best when full time in the midfield, it is just about whether he can stay fit. He is a ball winner, a good ball user and an elite two way runner - he could really be a game changer for us in there if he can just stay healthy. Heeney and Warner to split their time between midfield and forward.

I have one of McLean or Ladhams in the team, this is a really hard call, McLean obviously offers more as a forward, but struggles in the ruck and when he does that second ruck role, it seems to affect his ability to impact up forward. On the other hand Grundy is struggling more and more to run out games and I feel like his impact is maximised if he has a genuine chop out from a solid backup ruckman. The obvious problem is it either leaves you with one of them always on the bench effectively being a rotation down, or one of them up forward, which doesn't offer us a whole lot. I would probably lean towards Ladhams but it is a 50:50 for me.

In terms of those not there, I have left out Corey Warner, Cleary, Hanily, Sheldrick, Adams, Francis, who are all probably just not quite good enough for various reasons (Hanily and Cleary inexperience, Warner and Sheldlrick just aren't showing enough, Adams best is clearly behind him and Francis a handy backup). The most notable omissions are Lloyd and Florent, they both turn the ball over a lot and don't make good decisions often enough. I think Lloyd might be struggling to get a contract for next season and Florent is very tradable imo.

From a forward looking perspective, of our best 23 players, I think Hayward and McDonald are very tradable. Both should have some value, Hayward is a serviceable medium sized forward who can have a hot run of games and then equally run just as cold. His best, some recency bias (over 40 goals last year) and some overhype by a few media types not too familiar with the Swans should mean we could get a first round pick for him. Logan is a different issue, was our hope for being a dominant key forward after Buddy, but unfortunately I just don't see it. He isn't strong enough in the contest, doesn't take enough marks and his conversion isn't great. I think other teams would be more than willing to take a punt on him and probably give us a first rounder given he has shown some promise and is still relatively young.

Looking at our team then it is clear we need to still address the key position stocks as well as a midfield bull. We are in need of a high quality key forward, but so is just about everyone else. They are so hard to identify in the draft, even at the top end you can never quite be sure and almost impossible to get out of other clubs, so we may need to be creative here. This year and next are make or break years for Edwards and Snell, if they aren't showing enough we are going to need to find another key defender. Ruck is going to be an issue yet again, Grundy looks just about cooked, Ladhams is serviceable at best and I am worried about Green's slow development, he may not be the answer unfortunately. Clearly it is possible to get a good quality ruck for not much from another team, as many have shown recently - Cameron, Nankervis (own goals on our part unfortunately), Meek, Witts etc. I think we need to look at identifying one of those, possibly a Ned Moyle from GC.

[Roadrunner]

I think it is worth considering what our best 23 actually looks if everybody was fit (fanciful I know), but I had some thoughts around it and would love to hear what others think too. So this is my hypothetical best 23, with some commentary below:


FB: Wicks McCartin Rampe
HB: Cunningham Melican Roberts
C: McInerney Mills Gulden
HF: Warner/Heeney McDonald Jordon
FF: McLean/Ladhams Amartey Papley
RR: Grundy Blakey Warner/Heeney
I: Rowbottom Bice Campbell Hayward Fox (Sub)


First of all, I have put Blakey in the midfield, I think his immense talent is being a bit wasted at HB, he is a solid defender who can really open the game up with his run and tends to make things happen. I think it would be a very interesting experiment to put him into the midfield, he could be a real game changer for us, bursting from contest and setting play up in the front half, obviously his contested ball winning ability is questionable but I think we should at least try it and find out. Of our other midfielders, I think Mills has showed he is at his best when full time in the midfield, it is just about whether he can stay fit. He is a ball winner, a good ball user and an elite two way runner - he could really be a game changer for us in there if he can just stay healthy. Heeney and Warner to split their time between midfield and forward.

I have one of McLean or Ladhams in the team, this is a really hard call, McLean obviously offers more as a forward, but struggles in the ruck and when he does that second ruck role, it seems to affect his ability to impact up forward. On the other hand Grundy is struggling more and more to run out games and I feel like his impact is maximised if he has a genuine chop out from a solid backup ruckman. The obvious problem is it either leaves you with one of them always on the bench effectively being a rotation down, or one of them up forward, which doesn't offer us a whole lot. I would probably lean towards Ladhams but it is a 50:50 for me.

In terms of those not there, I have left out Corey Warner, Cleary, Hanily, Sheldrick, Adams, Francis, who are all probably just not quite good enough for various reasons (Hanily and Cleary inexperience, Warner and Sheldlrick just aren't showing enough, Adams best is clearly behind him and Francis a handy backup). The most notable omissions are Lloyd and Florent, they both turn the ball over a lot and don't make good decisions often enough. I think Lloyd might be struggling to get a contract for next season and Florent is very tradable imo.

From a forward looking perspective, of our best 23 players, I think Hayward and McDonald are very tradable. Both should have some value, Hayward is a serviceable medium sized forward who can have a hot run of games and then equally run just as cold. His best, some recency bias (over 40 goals last year) and some overhype by a few media types not too familiar with the Swans should mean we could get a first round pick for him. Logan is a different issue, was our hope for being a dominant key forward after Buddy, but unfortunately I just don't see it. He isn't strong enough in the contest, doesn't take enough marks and his conversion isn't great. I think other teams would be more than willing to take a punt on him and probably give us a first rounder given he has shown some promise and is still relatively young.

Looking at our team then it is clear we need to still address the key position stocks as well as a midfield bull. We are in need of a high quality key forward, but so is just about everyone else. They are so hard to identify in the draft, even at the top end you can never quite be sure and almost impossible to get out of other clubs, so we may need to be creative here. This year and next are make or break years for Edwards and Snell, if they aren't showing enough we are going to need to find another key defender. Ruck is going to be an issue yet again, Grundy looks just about cooked, Ladhams is serviceable at best and I am worried about Green's slow development, he may not be the answer unfortunately. Clearly it is possible to get a good quality ruck for not much from another team, as many have shown recently - Cameron, Nankervis (own goals on our part unfortunately), Meek, Witts etc. I think we need to look at identifying one of those, possibly a Ned Moyle from GC.

Good analysis- the above team is probably our best. I’m equally frustrated by Wilbur and Ollie, as they are both senior players and need to be more consistent. Is Ladhams good enough in the ruck? Let’s give him a run of games and find out once and for all. Undoubtably McLean is a much better forward and ideally he should play there. Disappointing re Logan’s injury- he is no world beater but it’s very hard to find a better replacement. Edwards and Snell will get their chances if form warrants- opportunities will arise especially given our injury record this year!.

[Roadrunner]

Not so sure about that. He will be a risk, but if you don’t have to give much away is well worth taking. Jamara will know that it will be his last chance. There is no doubt that someone will take the opportunity, and most likely it will be an interstate club

Jamara is an exciting player but unfortunately has “ character “ issues, so I don’t think we would be in for him. A real pity, as his talent is exactly what we need up forward.

[mcs]

From a forward looking perspective, of our best 23 players, I think Hayward and McDonald are very tradable. Both should have some value, Hayward is a serviceable medium sized forward who can have a hot run of games and then equally run just as cold. His best, some recency bias (over 40 goals last year) and some overhype by a few media types not too familiar with the Swans should mean we could get a first round pick for him. Logan is a different issue, was our hope for being a dominant key forward after Buddy, but unfortunately I just don't see it. He isn't strong enough in the contest, doesn't take enough marks and his conversion isn't great. I think other teams would be more than willing to take a punt on him and probably give us a first rounder given he has shown some promise and is still relatively young.

We won't even be thinking about trading Logan after we gave him a four year contract extension last year (assuming he doesn't go rogue like Jamara of course character wise - which seems unlikely). We've invested a lot and haven't yet seen the payback - but he has only just turned 23. Need to get his body right over the rest of this season then set him up properly for a full pre-season going into next year.

We would be mad to give him away now and see someone reap all the benefits, especially if we only got back basically what we paid to begin with on him (most likely less). We've made the sunk investment now, need to give it time to either wither on the vine or prosper.

[UUaswan]

We won't even be thinking about trading Logan after we gave him a four year contract extension last year (assuming he doesn't go rogue like Jamara of course character wise - which seems unlikely). We've invested a lot and haven't yet seen the payback - but he has only just turned 23. Need to get his body right over the rest of this season then set him up properly for a full pre-season going into next year.

We would be mad to give him away now and see someone reap all the benefits, especially if we only got back basically what we paid to begin with on him (most likely less). We've made the sunk investment now, need to give it time to either wither on the vine or prosper.

you don't trade away 23yr old KPP, give the guy a chance to get his body right.

He has way more to offer then Mclean and Amartey due to his agility in comparison.

Those 2 are fwd line or bust, Logan can Sam Reid versatile