2025 List Management

[Thunder Shaker]

Quick scan of the trade talk:

JUH likely to end up at the Suns. Budarick (Suns) wants to go to the Bulldogs. IMO it could be a simple swap of players with some shuffling of picks.
Curnow needs to name his preferred club before trade talks can begin. Geelong not willing to give up players. Sydney could be his club of choice.
Oliver could end up at Collingwood.
Free agency officially starts tomorrow.

[lwjoyner]

now Jake LLoyd has recommitted acording to Adam Spencer at Club Chamion dinner last night. Seems to me the swans dont wont to put this and Ramps commitmment to next yr and maybe further for lloyd.

[lwjoyner]

maybe third rnd for hawks jai serong and if JB still wants the Pies go for theeir secondor third

[UUaswan]

Mclean not finishing in the Top 10 given his role this year speaks volumes to how he was wasted all season.

A capable fwd cooked from the Ruck
An ineffective ruck

[imuninformedtwo]

Given he seems to want to go home, I wish Bailey Humphrey was from NSW. If he was already playing in Vic, he'd be a superstar right now - and he's still got massive upside.

[imuninformedtwo]

Ressie watchers will be keen to know that Damien Truslove has been appointed as coach of their VFL team and into a development role, which is great news if one of your passion projects in life is laughing at all things Carlton.

[SwanSand]

Apparently Will Hayward may be part of Curnow trade. Will Hayward and first rounder I would think is what is being talked about. We should not give overs.
I am not sure letting go off will Hayward. He is a really valuable player. We don’t have anyone to replace him.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I think the area that is key for us know is the flexibility that a Curnow type player (at his best) can provide a team in attack

with an addition like Curnow we can ask way more questions upfront vs say the utility of Hayward

you would argue Curnow provides our attack more than Hayward

albeit Hayward is a very good player and has always put in great effort

[BFG]

Latest news, Petracca wants to be traded to GC, realistically the only club that has the assets to get the trade done. JUH also headed to GC, probably for a half eaten packet of chips.

And the pushing out of non involved clubs picks has begun, Silvagni has netted Carlton pick 19. Last draft, WC pick 19 got pushed out to pick 30 by FA compo and bid matching. So their start of second round for finishing last goes out 11 places. The draft isn't working as an equalisation tool.

For those that like to have a laugh at the ineptness of LOLNorf, last draft they traded their future first that is pick 3 to Richmond for pick 27 Matt Whitlock and a pick that will be 30+ in this years draft. What an absolute @@@@ up, unless Matt Whitlock becomes a gun FF

[Thunder Shaker]

Latest news, Petracca wants to be traded to GC, realistically the only club that has the assets to get the trade done. JUH also headed to GC, probably for a half eaten packet of chips.

JUH Bulldogs->Suns, Budarick Suns->Bulldogs. Could almost be a straight swap.

And the pushing out of non involved clubs picks has begun, Silvagni has netted Carlton pick 19. Last draft, WC pick 19 got pushed out to pick 30 by FA compo and bid matching. So their start of second round for finishing last goes out 11 places. The draft isn't working as an equalisation tool.

Free agency compromises the draft more than any other recruitment method because free agency picks are created out of nothing. Between 2012 and 2024, the points value for compensation picks for free agency have amounted to nearly an entire draft's worth of points. Every one of those picks has been handed out for "free", but in reality they contribute significantly to draft bloat.

The AFL has focused on father-son and Academy bids, but they are being negligent in not addressing free agency compensation. If the clubs receiving free agents had to give up some DVI points to create the compensation, it would make it much harder to recruit free agents from bottom clubs. If the compensation is pick 3, then the club receiving the free agent must give up picks worth 2178 points.

The benefits of free agency are very uneven. This is most clearly shown by the Giants receiving six compensation picks for losing players to free agency since 2012. The Giants have recruited no free agents with compensation picks attacked. This is why the northern academies exist.

For those that like to have a laugh at the ineptness of LOLNorf, last draft they traded their future first that is pick 3 to Richmond for pick 27 Matt Whitlock and a pick that will be 30+ in this years draft. What an absolute @@@@ up, unless Matt Whitlock becomes a gun FF

North Melbourne were trying to trade back into the draft for several picks before that. Sydney had the previous pick and North Melbourne tried to trade for it. Instead of picking Bowman, Sydney could have made that trade and be holding pick 3.

[Thunder Shaker]

On free agency, the AFL has posted an article showing all free agency compensation ever handed out.
Every free agency compensation pick ever, and where they ended up

I scraped the information from the article and processed the information using a Python script. Here I have sorted the results by compensation band and year. DVI is using 2025 values.

Band: 1
2012 Brendon Goddard from St Kilda to Essendon : band 1 pick 13 DVI 1080
2013 Dale Thomas from Collingwood to Carlton : band 1 pick 11 DVI 1205
2013 Lance Franklin from Hawthorn to Sydney : band 1 pick 19 DVI 796
2014 James Frawley from Melbourne to Hawthorn : band 1 pick 3 DVI 2178
2018 Tom Lynch from Gold Coast to Richmond : band 1 pick 3 DVI 2178
2020 Joe Daniher from Essendon to Brisbane : band 1 pick 9 DVI 1355
2020 Zac Williams from Greater Western Sydney to Carlton : band 1 pick 12 DVI 1140
2023 Ben McKay from North Melbourne to Essendon : band 1 pick 4 DVI 1962
2024 Josh Battle from St Kilda to Hawthorn : band 1 pick 10 DVI 1276
2024 Harry Perryman from Greater Western Sydney to Collingwood : band 1 pick 19 DVI 796

Band: 2
2017 Tom Rockliff from Brisbane to Port Adelaide : band 2 pick 18 DVI 836
2017 Steven Motlop from Geelong to Port Adelaide : band 2 pick 19 DVI 796
2018 Scott Lycett from West Coast to Port Adelaide : band 2 pick 23 DVI 653
2023 Tom Doedee from Adelaide to Brisbane : band 2 pick 27 DVI 533
2023 Jade Gresham from St Kilda to Essendon : band 2 pick 28 DVI 505
2024 Isaac Cumming from Greater Western Sydney to Adelaide : band 2 pick 24 DVI 621

Band: 3
2012 Troy Chaplin from Port Adelaide to Richmond : band 3 pick 29 DVI 479
2012 Danyle Pearce from Port Adelaide to Fremantle : band 3 pick 30 DVI 454
2013 Colin Sylvia from Melbourne to Fremantle : band 3 pick 23 DVI 653
2013 Nick Dal Santo from St Kilda to North Melbourne : band 3 pick 25 DVI 590
2014 Shaun Higgins from Western Bulldogs to North Melbourne : band 3 pick 27 DVI 533
2014 Nick Malceski from Sydney to Gold Coast : band 3 pick 39 DVI 257
2015 Scott Selwood from West Coast to Geelong : band 3 pick 37 DVI 297
2016 Chris Mayne from Fremantle to Collingwood : band 3 pick 25 DVI 590
2016 Ty Vickery from Richmond to Hawthorn : band 3 pick 29 DVI 479
2016 Daniel Wells from North Melbourne to Collingwood : band 3 pick 36 DVI 317
2018 Luke Dahlhaus from Western Bulldogs to Geelong : band 3 pick 32 DVI 405
2020 Brad Crouch from Adelaide to St Kilda : band 3 pick 28 DVI 505
2020 Aiden Corr from Greater Western Sydney to North Melbourne : band 3 pick 37 DVI 297
2022 Karl Amon from Port Adelaide to Hawthorn : band 3 pick 30 DVI 454
2022 Daniel McStay from Brisbane to Collingwood : band 3 pick 35 DVI 338

Band: 4
2015 Matthew Leuenberger from Brisbane to Essendon : band 4 pick 37 DVI 297
2015 Matt Suckling from Hawthorn to Western Bulldogs : band 4 pick 38 DVI 277
2019 Brandon Ellis from Richmond to Gold Coast : band 4 pick 44 DVI 167
2019 Adam Tomlinson from Greater Western Sydney to Melbourne : band 4 pick 41 DVI 220
2020 Rory Atkins from Adelaide to Gold Coast : band 4 pick 38 DVI 277
2021 Mabior Chol from Richmond to Gold Coast : band 4 pick 38 DVI 277
2021 George Hewett from Sydney to Carlton : band 4 pick 40 DVI 238
2023 James Jordon from Melbourne to Sydney : band 4 pick 40 DVI 238
2023 Matthew Flynn from Greater Western Sydney to West Coast : band 4 pick 44 DVI 167
2024 Jack Graham from Richmond to West Coast : band 4 pick 42 DVI 202

Band: 5
2012 Jared Rivers from Melbourne to Geelong : band 5 pick 48 DVI 51 * One pick awarded for two players, DVI is 50% each
2012 Brent Moloney from Melbourne to Brisbane : band 5 pick 48 DVI 51* One pick awarded for two players, DVI is 50% each
2012 Quinten Lynch from West Coast to Collingwood : band 5 pick 60 DVI 0
2012 Clinton Young from Hawthorn to Collingwood : band 5 pick 64 DVI 0
2018 Alex Fasolo from Collingwood to Carlton : band 5 pick 53 DVI 28
2019 Cam Ellis-Yolmen from Adelaide to Brisbane : band 5 pick 49 DVI 86
2020 Isaac Smith from Hawthorn to Geelong : band 5 pick 41 DVI 220
2021 Jake Kelly from Adelaide to Essendon : band 5 pick 44 DVI 167
2022 Liam Jones from Carlton to Western Bulldogs : band 5 pick 47 DVI 118
2022 Jayden Hunt from Melbourne to West Coast : band 5 pick 49 DVI 86

[KSAS]

Apparently Will Hayward may be part of Curnow trade. Will Hayward and first rounder I would think is what is being talked about. We should not give overs.
I am not sure letting go off will Hayward. He is a really valuable player. We don’t have anyone to replace him.

I find it strange for Will Hayward to mention this at all, as there was no need given it is a supposed hypothetical?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/sydney-swans/afl-trade-news-2025-will-hayward-on-charlie-curnow-trade-deal-between-sydney-swans-carlton-blues-justin-longmuir-meeting-with-jai-serong/news-story/71b6aeb1dad8954c9c9353541b113f3f

[UUaswan]

I find it strange for Will Hayward to mention this at all, as there was no need given it is a supposed hypothetical?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tea...9353541b113f3f

Sounds to me like he has heard it but is waiting for his coach to confirm it

[Thunder Shaker]

Reports on Reddit that Robbie Fox has signed with the Tasmania Devils.

[Dow]

Sounds to me like he has heard it but is waiting for his coach to confirm it

And I would say the coach is waiting for Curnow to nominate us if in fact he does. I think it's smart to move on Hayward if there is a chance to add a better chess piece and if it doesn't happen happy enough to keep Hayward.