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  • Roadrunner
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2018
    • 1487

    Originally posted by liz

    If you read what I actually wrote, it was that we should trade out/retire these players if we don't think we're capable of contending in the next few seasons. The 'if' was intentionally doing a lot of work there. The suggestion of trading out Heeney and Papley was intended to emphasise the non-applicability of the 'if' clause.
    Yes, I understood that “if” Liz. But seriously, barring another horror run of injuries, our team is good enough to contend. After all, we finished minor premiers last year playing some terrific football. We do have some weaknesses and hopefully they can be addressed by a couple of astute trades and draft picks. Grundy has at least another couple of years judging by his form lately. Paps had a horrid run of injuries and Heeney has had another outstanding year. Our young players can and should improve next year and our older guys like Ramps and Harry are still playing good footy. My only concern is Lloydy as I think his form has been poor. We’ve missed Logan and Joel in our forward line but hopefully next year we will see them play regularly. The player we missed the most is Paddy as we haven’t been able to adequately replace him, though Hamling has played a few really good games before his injury- but we do need an upgrade there. And of course we’ve missed Parks- his toughness and forward play.

    Bottom line: we should never trade Paps or Heens Liz- there can be no “if” ever!

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16807

      Originally posted by Roadrunner

      Yes, I understood that “if” Liz. But seriously, barring another horror run of injuries, our team is good enough to contend. After all, we finished minor premiers last year playing some terrific football. We do have some weaknesses and hopefully they can be addressed by a couple of astute trades and draft picks. Grundy has at least another couple of years judging by his form lately. Paps had a horrid run of injuries and Heeney has had another outstanding year. Our young players can and should improve next year and our older guys like Ramps and Harry are still playing good footy. My only concern is Lloydy as I think his form has been poor. We’ve missed Logan and Joel in our forward line but hopefully next year we will see them play regularly. The player we missed the most is Paddy as we haven’t been able to adequately replace him, though Hamling has played a few really good games before his injury- but we do need an upgrade there. And of course we’ve missed Parks- his toughness and forward play.

      Bottom line: we should never trade Paps or Heens Liz- there can be no “if” ever!
      Still not sure you get my point. I was trying to say "of course we should view ourselves as contending", using the provocative suggestion of trading out Heeney and Papley if we think we aren't.

      And because we have to think we are contending, we should be looking to bolster our "right now" squad right now, even if it costs us securing every academy 18yo who might be available this year.

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      • Roadrunner
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2018
        • 1487

        Originally posted by liz

        Still not sure you get my point. I was trying to say "of course we should view ourselves as contending", using the provocative suggestion of trading out Heeney and Papley if we think we aren't.

        And because we have to think we are contending, we should be looking to bolster our "right now" squad right now, even if it costs us securing every academy 18yo who might be available this year.
        Ok Liz-I’m happy now! I get your point. It’s only because I can never contemplate trading out those two, no matter the circumstances! I understand where you’re coming from and let’s hope our Academy picks will become our future stars.

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        • Auntie.Gerald
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2009
          • 6486

          For me another finals ready Key Defender is ........... the KEY
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • BRS328
            Warming the Bench
            • Feb 2018
            • 377

            Originally posted by UUaswan
            Priority has to be the Academy, a Key Defender and a the health of our fwds.

            Im scared of the Alir Trade or the Ladhams Trade where we get screwed.
            Can’t agree you on this. I believe a key forward is the first priority. The current defence set against Brisbane was very good last week and the primary reason we won the game. The club have very high hopes for Will Edwards who had a season ruined by injury. At 197cm and 22 years old it has to be now or never.
            I would also like to see Hamling retained for one more year as he showed very good defensive skills prior to his injury.
            The forward line was decimated this year with only one recognised player (Hayward) playing most games. This is where the depth is very limited, and I am yet to be convinced that Buller is the answer. He looked totally lost against Andrews last Saturday. Buller may be a possibility as a defender

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            • UUaswan
              Regular in the Side
              • Sep 2024
              • 642

              Originally posted by BRS328

              Can’t agree you on this. I believe a key forward is the first priority. The current defence set against Brisbane was very good last week and the primary reason we won the game. The club have very high hopes for Will Edwards who had a season ruined by injury. At 197cm and 22 years old it has to be now or never.
              I would also like to see Hamling retained for one more year as he showed very good defensive skills prior to his injury.
              The forward line was decimated this year with only one recognised player (Hayward) playing most games. This is where the depth is very limited, and I am yet to be convinced that Buller is the answer. He looked totally lost against Andrews last Saturday. Buller may be a possibility as a defender
              I think we have enough Fwds if fit.

              The same limited durability of our fwds can be said about our defenders with Melican and Tom Mc

              Melican has only played more than 10 games twice in 5yrs and Tom is a decent bump away from a 6 week spell, best case.
              Ive said before with Ramps about his age, we have not had good luck with champions going that extra year, JK, Mcveigh,Buddy,ROk etc

              So yeah we are vulnerable down back while hoping an untried VFL Defender comes thru, thats why a KPD should be our focus

              As for fwds, who is out there that we could get and not get screwed with trade ? More the point, who is worth it.
              Look at the Comp for Full Fwds, there is Cameron, Darcy, Hogan than daylight. No one realistically available is much of an upgrade on the 40 goals fwds we have.

              Curnow kicked 80, 3 yrs ago and is tied up for 4yrs
              This is the first time in 5 yrs Tilthorpe has kicked more than 20 goals
              Josh Treacey is the next best thing and he has never kicked 50

              We have Joel who kicked 43 as 24yr old and Logan kicked 37 as a 22 yr old while playing fwd to the highest scoring midfield ever.

              We need health up fwd, not new players

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              • Nico
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 11350

                I read where Callum Wilkie from St Kilda is unhappy and open to moving. Just the person to bolster our defence. This $1.7 milion for TDK is already causing issues. I'd be surprised if we haven't already spoken to him given we have openly said we are in the market for an established player and cashed up.
                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                • UUaswan
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Sep 2024
                  • 642

                  Originally posted by Nico
                  I read where Callum Wilkie from St Kilda is unhappy and open to moving. Just the person to bolster our defence. This $1.7 milion for TDK is already causing issues. I'd be surprised if we haven't already spoken to him given we have openly said we are in the market for an established player and cashed up.
                  Hearing mixed, I think he would be a tough get.
                  Was in the top 3 CHB in the comp a year ago.
                  Big money and big at the trade table.

                  Lever to me is a better option, would be more likely on both fronts

                  Or go after one of the Adelaide young tall defenders or see if GWS Aleer wants to stay in Sydney

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                  • BRS328
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Feb 2018
                    • 377

                    Originally posted by UUaswan

                    I think we have enough Fwds if fit.

                    The same limited durability of our fwds can be said about our defenders with Melican and Tom Mc

                    Melican has only played more than 10 games twice in 5yrs and Tom is a decent bump away from a 6 week spell, best case.
                    Ive said before with Ramps about his age, we have not had good luck with champions going that extra year, JK, Mcveigh,Buddy,ROk etc

                    So yeah we are vulnerable down back while hoping an untried VFL Defender comes thru, thats why a KPD should be our focus

                    As for fwds, who is out there that we could get and not get screwed with trade ? More the point, who is worth it.
                    Look at the Comp for Full Fwds, there is Cameron, Darcy, Hogan than daylight. No one realistically available is much of an upgrade on the 40 goals fwds we have.

                    Curnow kicked 80, 3 yrs ago and is tied up for 4yrs
                    This is the first time in 5 yrs Tilthorpe has kicked more than 20 goals
                    Josh Treacey is the next best thing and he has never kicked 50

                    We have Joel who kicked 43 as 24yr old and Logan kicked 37 as a 22 yr old while playing fwd to the highest scoring midfield ever.

                    We need health up fwd, not new players
                    Let’s agree to disagree on a couple of things.
                    The main reason Melican was not getting a game was because he was considered depth only until halfway through the 2023 season when he broke into the senior team and has been a regular ever since.
                    I would not rule out Curnow at this stage. There are discussions going on behind closed doors at all clubs, including the Swans, with current contracted players. Anything is possible.
                    Agree with you on your comments about Logan, but I am concerned about the durability of Armartey. He certainly can play when fit, but continues to have ongoing issues, particularly with hamstrings.
                    Let’s face it, we were very lucky to win last Saturday with a makeshift forward line. Papley was the only recognised forward in the team when you take out Logan, Joel and Hayward, and you have to give credit to the coach for the game plan against a very good team.

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                    • UUaswan
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2024
                      • 642

                      Originally posted by BRS328

                      Let’s agree to disagree on a couple of things.
                      The main reason Melican was not getting a game was because he was considered depth only until halfway through the 2023 season when he broke into the senior team and has been a regular ever since.
                      I would not rule out Curnow at this stage. There are discussions going on behind closed doors at all clubs, including the Swans, with current contracted players. Anything is possible.
                      Agree with you on your comments about Logan, but I am concerned about the durability of Armartey. He certainly can play when fit, but continues to have ongoing issues, particularly with hamstrings.
                      Let’s face it, we were very lucky to win last Saturday with a makeshift forward line. Papley was the only recognised forward in the team when you take out Logan, Joel and Hayward, and you have to give credit to the coach for the game plan against a very good team.
                      Agree it was a makeshift Fwd line and we did very well but ........ we also had a game from Heeney that allows things to look alot rosier than they actually were, alot like last year.

                      Like you my biggest concern is Amartey but he is worth trying to get right for another year, hopefully alongside Logan.

                      If that fails, then all options should be on the table

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