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  • Velour&Ruffles
    Regular in the Side
    • Jun 2006
    • 910

    Originally posted by BFG

    and this is the problem we have when players are weighing up another Melbourne club or us - moving interstate and uprooting family comes a distant second to just driving to a different Melbourne suburb to train.
    100% true. But at the same time the AFL - which professes to be dedicated to creating a level competition - is about to gut the benefit of the northern academies.

    I don't understand why there is an assumption that the draft rules around father-son and (northern, not the pretend NG) academies need to be the same. One is the result of lucky sperm, the other is the result of significant financial investment, early talent identification and a decade or so of training and development. Only a true moron would view them as equivalent. And yet ....
    My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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    • Thunder Shaker
      Aut vincere aut mori
      • Apr 2004
      • 4271

      Originally posted by Velour&Ruffles

      100% true. But at the same time the AFL - which professes to be dedicated to creating a level competition - is about to gut the benefit of the northern academies.

      I don't understand why there is an assumption that the draft rules around father-son and (northern, not the pretend NG) academies need to be the same. One is the result of lucky sperm, the other is the result of significant financial investment, early talent identification and a decade or so of training and development. Only a true moron would view them as equivalent. And yet ....
      If the AFL was really governing for all clubs, it would put free agency under scrutiny. Free agency compromises the draft just as much as the Academies do, yet the compensation picks given to the original club of the free agents come at no cost in draft capital to the destination club. These "free" draft picks are not free. The 16 clubs that are not involved in the deal lose value for all their draft picks after the compensation picks.

      A select few clubs can load up on free agents while keeping all their draft picks. It's a huge source of inequity that must be addressed. It won't be, because the clubs that do this are a few strong Victorian clubs, and they are also the original club of several of the senior AFL administrators. All clubs are supposed to be equal due to equalisation policies, but some are more equal than others.

      Another area that is need of addressing is the salary cap. Not all player payments are within the salary cap. Sponsorships are not included. This is why Geelong has a very large salary sombrero while other clubs don't get as much benefit.

      Changes that are needed here:
      * Include all player benefits in the salary cap, including sponsorship deals. No more free cars for the spouses of players, no more free real estate.
      * Remove the salary cap minimum. It shouldn't be necessary for clubs to fiddle contracts with back-ending and front-ending to get them up to an arbitrary minimum.
      * Allow clubs to trade salary cap space for draft picks, up to a maximum of perhaps 5% of cap space per year. This is more controversial, but it may have benefits. An example of a benefit: a club with a lot of salary cap space can use it to buy draft picks that they can use to recruit good players, thereby putting that cap to use in later seasons.
      * Clubs buying salary cap space cannot go over 105% in one year and cannot go over 100% averaged over 5 years.
      * Require clubs receiving players from free agency to spend draft capital to create the compensation picks with no discounts.
      "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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      • imuninformedtwo
        Regular in the Side
        • Aug 2024
        • 540

        Originally posted by Velour&Ruffles

        100% true. But at the same time the AFL - which professes to be dedicated to creating a level competition - is about to gut the benefit of the northern academies.

        I don't understand why there is an assumption that the draft rules around father-son and (northern, not the pretend NG) academies need to be the same. One is the result of lucky sperm, the other is the result of significant financial investment, early talent identification and a decade or so of training and development. Only a true moron would view them as equivalent. And yet ....
        This is my chief beef. According to the AFL:

        - We put millions of dollars into kids who wouldn’t otherwise play the game and develop their skills and talents and professionalism over years = apple
        - Your dad, who once played for us, once rooted your mum = same apple.

        Absurd.

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        • BFG
          On the Rookie List
          • Jan 2025
          • 48

          You're all missing "the romance" and tradition of F/S LOL

          Be interesting to see if St.Kilda that has made the most noise about uncompromised drafts backs that up by bidding on tied draftees with their picks. Can't wait for Nick Riewaldt's kids in a few years to not be eligible for the Saints

          Biggest problems are FA which massively favours big Vic clubs and the farcical NGA qualification rules/open slather

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          • imuninformedtwo
            Regular in the Side
            • Aug 2024
            • 540

            The chatter about Curnow continues today. Not sure why. If I’m a coach fighting for survival like Voss, you simply don’t let him go.

            And we can forget JUH. He won’t be playing AFL footy next year. Whatever the circumstances, it’s over for now at least. No club will touch him.

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            • UUaswan
              Regular in the Side
              • Sep 2024
              • 687

              Need a KPD

              Future 2nd for Lever
              Ladhams for Lever
              Mclean for Lever
              Or go buy Silvagni

              Freo just made finals with 3x 22 yr old Key Fwds

              We have Amartey, Buller, Logan, Mclean, adhams, Green.

              Plus we have Paps and Wilbur as Smalls not to mention Heeney

              Last edited by UUaswan; Yesterday, 09:46 PM.

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              • BRS328
                Warming the Bench
                • Feb 2018
                • 385

                Originally posted by UUaswan

                Logan was a 22yr Old going at nearly 1.5gls a game without being the Key Target, there us your Full Fwd.

                KPD should be the priority, Ladhams or Mclean may be surplus if we keep Buller.

                Cox fwd structure is the biggest issue for this team
                Our KPD vulnerability is the 2nd

                Letting Hamling go hopefully insinuates we have someone coming in as KPD
                In fairness to Cox’s forward structure the only regular forward he has had for the majority of the year is Hayward who gets the opposition number one defender every week. Logan, Papley and Armartey have simply not been available. Agree that the current forward structure is an issue, but it really is about player availability

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                • MattW
                  Veterans List
                  • May 2011
                  • 4243

                  Originally posted by imuninformedtwo
                  The chatter about Curnow continues today. Not sure why. If I’m a coach fighting for survival like Voss, you simply don’t let him go.

                  And we can forget JUH. He won’t be playing AFL footy next year. Whatever the circumstances, it’s over for now at least. No club will touch him.
                  Yes, Jon Ralph did a bit on Curnow on On the Couch, ahead of Carlton's exit interviews starting tomorrow. Reckoned Curnow is 'open to exploring a trade, potentially to Sydney'. He had Carlton's talking points: only for Heeney, Gulden or Warner. Lolz. Jon Brown rightly gave that short shrift. He noted that if a player asks to leave, it usually gets done. Buckley a reckoned first and a player would do it.

                  I agree that the only way it gets done is if Curnow asks to leave. That'd be a big call and it seems unlikely. In the event it did, noting our record with first round picks, I'd be happy trade this year's first and next year's first.

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                  • Thunder Shaker
                    Aut vincere aut mori
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4271

                    Originally posted by imuninformedtwo
                    The chatter about Curnow continues today. Not sure why.
                    The off-season silly season has started. Any wild speculation is discussed at length because that's all that the football media have to justify their existence.
                    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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