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  • Legs Akimbo
    Grand Poobah
    • Apr 2005
    • 2809

    #91
    Right - just watcheed the full replay on Bigpond.

    Shaw - was excellent. I confess to letting my hatred for his scum family get in the way of a fair appraisal of his worth to the team. He is doing what Kennelly did, but better. Let's face it, by the time Kennelly pulled the plug, he was pretty much shot. The thing we need to be careful of is teams tagging Shaw, as a lot of our clearances from defense are going through him.

    Grundy. Really straightened us up when he moved to the forward line. He knows how to take a mark and although need fast is quick thinking and an excellent kick. Also has evasive qualities.

    LRT - great game. I feel confident of a good outcome when LRT is in the vicinity. Ditto Bolton who pantsed Fev. I thought Betts had the better of Bevan in the second half.

    McVeigh. BOG for mine. Kicked 3 goals when they mattered and shut down Judd when he threated to create havoc. A comment on Judd - his disposal really lets him down and it is also apparent that a lot of his freak ability at west coast was due to other players blocking for him. He is not getting anywhere near the help from his carlton 'team' mates. In general, Carlton come across as a very selfish team, and quite lazy too.

    Jolly- he is so important to us and delivered yet again. White performed well in the back-up role too.

    Other notables - Richards, Bird, Thornton a few nice things in his first game, Meredith has class and will get better when he finds more of the pill.

    What amazes me is that Bird clocks up pretty impressive numbers with limited game time. He'd be clearing 30 quality possessions if he had the stamina to do it. Give it a few years. His side step is so much llike Harvey is uncanny.

    On Moore - I thought he was good. He has a role to play and he is dong it well. He wlil never be a running player, but what he can do well is be the creative, small forward who can create opportunities with his strength and vision in close.

    Finally, I think things clicked int he 2nd quarter when Goodes moved to the forward line. Created pressure and led to a cascade effect which bought Grundy and white into the game and opened things up.
    Last edited by Legs Akimbo; 19 April 2009, 10:30 AM.
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    • BeeEmmAre
      Commentary Team Captain
      • Aug 2005
      • 2509

      #92
      Looks like an RWO thread after we lose.....
      "It's up to the rest of the players in the room to make a new batch of premiership players next year," Adam Goodes, triple Bob Skilton Medallist, October 7, 2011.

      YOU BETCHA!!!!!!

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      • Bear
        Best and Fairest
        • Feb 2003
        • 1022

        #93
        Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
        I thought Betts had the better of Bevan in the second half.
        That's the understatement of the week.

        Any small forward with any nouse carves up Bevan - Murphy in the last final, Milne in R1, Betts...

        Gives his man far too much room in crumming contests and is weak in the 1-1 marking contests. Spevo is THE clear wink link in our backline targetted by opposition coaches and players.
        "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
        Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #94
          Originally posted by dimelb
          Not so sure about this bit. I enjoyed watching, especially as we won. But if the finishing had been a bit better, say 3-4 goals from each side that weren't kicked, it would probably have rated as exciting. Not much difference really, in terms of the actual play.
          Like I said, I didn't see the game.
          I hope that we're starting to play consistently exciting footy.
          Personally, over the last few years I've found the Swans to be way more frustrating to watch than any other side.
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          • Primmy
            Proud Tragic Swan
            • Apr 2008
            • 5970

            #95
            Haven't read all the posts but did anyone see the Jolly tap down to Macca and Goal ala Davo! It was the same as the Geelong special. Gotta love it.
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            • Primmy
              Proud Tragic Swan
              • Apr 2008
              • 5970

              #96
              Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
              Nice work down at Fairfax - check the caption to the picture...

              http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfmatc...008831263.html
              And it was a Melbourne paper! pathetic isn't it. Editor must be a soccer fan.
              If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #97
                Originally posted by CureTheSane
                ... Personally, over the last few years I've found the Swans to be way more frustrating to watch than any other side.
                I can certainly understand that, but I'm grateful not to have had the weight of expectation of, say, St Kilda.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • goswannie14
                  Leadership Group
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 11166

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Bear
                  That's the understatement of the week.

                  Any small forward with any nouse carves up Bevan - Murphy in the last final, Milne in R1, Betts...

                  Gives his man far too much room in crumming contests and is weak in the 1-1 marking contests. Spevo is THE clear wink link in our backline targetted by opposition coaches and players.
                  Yep, you hit the nail on the head, he is consistently 5-10 metres behind his man who is either scoring goals or setting them up. He is definitely our weak link in defence. If he must be played (for which there is no apparent reason) then he is a much safer bet in attack, where stuffing up may not cost us so dearly.
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                  • goswannie14
                    Leadership Group
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 11166

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Primmy
                    Haven't read all the posts but did anyone see the Jolly tap down to Macca and Goal ala Davo! It was the same as the Geelong special. Gotta love it.
                    It was the obvious set play, when they showed the behind the goals camera angle you could see how thw Swans had
                    left that big area open that Macca ran into, a classic "Jason Ball" tap.
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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16764

                      Originally posted by goswannie14
                      Yep, you hit the nail on the head, he is consistently 5-10 metres behind his man who is either scoring goals or setting them up. He is definitely our weak link in defence. If he must be played (for which there is no apparent reason) then he is a much safer bet in attack, where stuffing up may not cost us so dearly.

                      So who would you have had play on Betts instead? Shaw has the pace but not sure about him in the last line of defence, and in any case, he's providing valuable run off half-back. Crouch is injured. Jack is probably the only other one with the pace to play that small back pocket defender role. Do we want to stick him there?

                      Bevan doesn't have the pace or agility to go with the host of small forwards in the comp but he's about the best we have at the moment. There is no-one in the reserves at the moment who looks remotely capable of playing that role.

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                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        Originally posted by liz
                        So who would you have had play on Betts instead? Shaw has the pace but not sure about him in the last line of defence, and in any case, he's providing valuable run off half-back. Crouch is injured. Jack is probably the only other one with the pace to play that small back pocket defender role. Do we want to stick him there?

                        Bevan doesn't have the pace or agility to go with the host of small forwards in the comp but he's about the best we have at the moment. There is no-one in the reserves at the moment who looks remotely capable of playing that role.
                        As I have said before, how the hell would I know who is playing in the reserves? They don't play in Melbourne, and when I go to games in Canberra, they don't play before the seniors any way. I was not commenting on replacements either, I was agreeing with the fact that Bevan is our weak link in defence. As was pointed out, any small forward with half a brain can beat Bevan one on one. Surely you can see that?
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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16764

                          Originally posted by goswannie14
                          As I have said before, how the hell would I know who is playing in the reserves? They don't play in Melbourne, and when I go to games in Canberra, they don't play before the seniors any way. I was not commenting on replacements either, I was agreeing with the fact that Bevan is our weak link in defence. As was pointed out, any small forward with half a brain can beat Bevan one on one. Surely you can see that?
                          But they don't beat him in every contest, even if they might get the better of him over a whole match. You may not have been commenting on replacements but I interpreted your post as questioning why Bevan was playing that role. I am suggesting that he is playing that role because he is the best option we currently have.

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                          • goswannie14
                            Leadership Group
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 11166

                            Originally posted by liz
                            But they don't beat him in every contest, even if they might get the better of him over a whole match. You may not have been commenting on replacements but I interpreted your post as questioning why Bevan was playing that role. I am suggesting that he is playing that role because he is the best option we currently have.
                            That really is a sad reflection on our recruiting then isn't it?
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                            • Bayes30
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 39

                              Originally posted by goswannie14
                              That really is a sad reflection on our recruiting then isn't it?
                              No, just an indication that things can be more complex than they first appear.

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                              • pinkemu
                                Silver member, not Gold
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 419

                                Bevan has the heart of a lion and will eventually prove the doubters wrong as Kirk did.

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