Is any of this true? Barry Hall maybe forced to retire by Roos /Or will he quit?

[RogueSwan]

... as I said no one is going to win here - but I will miss him - at least he has character.

Most definitely.
I wonder if you did a "Your favourite Barry Hall moment" thread, how many would list decking Staker? I don't think it would be mine, but it would definitely be up there (hypocrite, I know).

[Wardy]

Most definately.
I wonder if you did a "Your favourite Barry Hall moment" thread, how many would list decking Staker? I don't think it would be mine, but it would definately be up there (hypocrite, I know).

I still maintain had he have decked Hunter instead he would now have an OBE behind his name and free beer for life!

[CureTheSane]

I'm not going to get involved in the debating that has been going on in comments previous to mine, all I am going to say is I am keen to see how we play with Hall out of the side, I dont think we play too badly to be honest, we usually have a lot more goals from our midfielders. I just feel that without Hall there, our midfielders will take that shot at goal from 45- 55 metres out, whether it be on the run or set shot. Granted Hall has been playing well, and as I've said before in other threads, I'd rather him out there playing than on the side lines, but I am just curious to see how we go in the next couple of weeks. Also, as has been mentioned before, wouldn't mind seeing Goodesy play permanent full forward for a whole game, just to have a see what comes of it.

What happens when a key forward such as Hall or Plugger is out for the Swans is that the Swans play pretty well.

The reason?
They are forced to change the game plan and opposition sides are kept guessing for a change. That, added to the talent that the players posses which is usually well hidden by the restrictive game plan allow us to play a different style.

Unfortunately, the Hall or Plugger comes back after a couple of weeks usually and we slip back into the same old, same old.

If Hall is really going to go for good (in whatever way) then we will have the time to see how our structure changes on a more permanent level.

Hopefully for the better in a more flowing style of game.

[Yakety_Yak]

And what about Rutten who elbowed him in the chest in the first place ? I'm sure that hit didnt exactly tickle. Hall is proded, pinched, held & roughed up by, in some instances, three opponents at once - yet they can do what ever they like to him, and Umps fall for it - but Hall has no recourse. Yes there are times where the call against Hall is warranted but most of the time its not. I dont know about anyone else, but if I had to put up with that week in and week out I'd belt someone around the chops too. .

I get the impression that you really would!

But its the public hanging by the club that really gets to me the most. You could see it coming, the snide passing remarks from Roos & Kirk - who will be next I wonder. Anyway there will be those of who agree with what the club is doing and those who wont. No one is going to win here.

Do you forget that a culture of leadership and team focus was responsible for Swans glory? That the "Bloods" self imposed punishment sessions for all, without disclosing the individual, nor misdemeanor, even to the head coach?

Do you LOT ....really????? want Swans to offer "no comment" media remarks in the current battle for stability in Sydney?

This incident was trivial, but Wardy you must be a saint .... consider eg the bloke who repeatedly steals... would his the last "I'll never do it again" mean more as an isolated incident or maybe even less than the first time he said it?


How does the "Bloods" culture of supreme discipline fair..when the next D**** stuffs up" maybe goes against the grain... when a new youngster can say... what about Barry Hall (etc etc P'ship captain) ..."you let him get away with stuff ups!, lots of times?"

[johnno]

What happens when a key forward such as Hall or Plugger is out for the Swans is that the Swans play pretty well.

The reason?
They are forced to change the game plan and opposition sides are kept guessing for a change. That, added to the talent that the players posses which is usually well hidden by the restrictive game plan allow us to play a different style.

Unfortunately, the Hall or Plugger comes back after a couple of weeks usually and we slip back into the same old, same old.

If Hall is really going to go for good (in whatever way) then we will have the time to see how our structure changes on a more permanent level.

Hopefully for the better in a more flowing style of game.

one of the main things I have been annoyed with over the last 3-4 weeks is that we seem to be getting a lot of the ball, racking up huge stats for very little influence on the scoreboard. I've just got this strange feeling that if we can still dominate possession/statistics like we have been, and with the very different looking forward line, more open and players/midfielders backing themselves, the swans might just start kicking big scores.

[Primmy]

I still maintain had he have decked Hunter instead he would now have an OBE behind his name and free beer for life!

If you nominate him, I'll second it.

[Wardy]

I get the impression that you really would!





Do you forget that a culture of leadership and team focus was responsible for Swans glory? That the "Bloods" self imposed punishment sessions for all, without disclosing the individual, nor misdemeanor, even to the head coach?

Do you LOT ....really????? want Swans to offer "no comment" media remarks in the current battle for stability in Sydney?

This incident was trivial, but Wardy you must be a saint .... consider eg the bloke who repeatedly steals... would his the last "I'll never do it again" mean more as an isolated incident or maybe even less than the first time he said it?


How does the "Bloods" culture of supreme discipline fair..when the next D**** stuffs up" maybe goes against the grain... when a new youngster can say... what about Barry Hall (etc etc P'ship captain) ..."you let him get away with stuff ups!, lots of times?"

jesus I am no saint and have never claimed to be - but I would prefer that the club handle this without running to the media all the time - a "no comment we are handling it" is all thats required - other organisations can do it - so why not a footy club?

No one is disputing that he stuffed up - but I'm pretty sure that had you (yakety Yak that is) had have stuffed up at work (which is what Baz has done), I dont think you would like to have your employer bagging you publicly via the media- would you?

Oh and I only ever hit someone once - in netball - a lovely girl from MIC who had tried to gouge me in the eyes - those catholic girls were a nasty lot - it was the survival of the fittest.

[CureTheSane]

one of the main things I have been annoyed with over the last 3-4 weeks is that we seem to be getting a lot of the ball, racking up huge stats for very little influence on the scoreboard. I've just got this strange feeling that if we can still dominate possession/statistics like we have been, and with the very different looking forward line, more open and players/midfielders backing themselves, the swans might just start kicking big scores.

Absolutely

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I can honestly say I don't know what to think anymore. After replays of the triple 50 incident I was defending him and saying he was obviously penalised because of his name (especially the 2nd free, what was that!) and I genuinely felt sorry for him.

After saturday's effort I lost a lot of confidence in his ability to stay on the park and guide our younger players. Sometimes I feel ashamed because I'm on and off his bandwagon a lot, but he's so erratic that it's an easy thing to do.

When it comes to the crunch I like Hall, he's our big brute and the majority of Sydney supporters love him and want him to play on for as long as possible, but it can be so very frustrating at times. When he toys with players and tosses them aside I have a chuckle, that's what we want to see, but we don't need him punching people in the face. (even if it's a pretty harmless punch)

If I controlled the game I'd let the aggression back in and I'd change the rules to the way they were, because personally I'm not offended by the way he plays. The thing is it doesn't help the team, he can kick 4 goals and then go off the rails and all his work comes undone. Controlled aggression is the key in today's football, as much as we love the biff it's not the 80's anymore and there's no turning back.

Big Bad needs to get with the times, it's the only way. It would also help if the umpires didn't allow 8 scraggers to climb on his shoulders like he's babysitting for the Octomom.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Even with the Staker incident, Staker was all over him being a serial pest and the umpire just let it go. If Barry does go I will be very sorry, he's been a wonderful player for the Swans

I've always maintained that it should have been a free to hall in the first place, and the punch wouldn't have happened. It doesn't excuse what Hall did, but if the umpires did their job the incident wouldn't have taken place.

A part of me was happy the stupid scragging defender got some sense knocked into him. Maybe he'll play by the rules in future?

[AnnieH]

I can honestly say I don't know what to think anymore. After replays of the triple 50 incident I was defending him and saying he was obviously penalised because of his name (especially the 2nd free, what was that!) and I genuinely felt sorry for him.

After saturday's effort I lost a lot of confidence in his ability to stay on the park and guide our younger players. Sometimes I feel ashamed because I'm on and off his bandwagon a lot, but he's so erratic that it's an easy thing to do.

When it comes to the crunch I like Hall, he's our big brute and the majority of Sydney supporters love him and want him to play on for as long as possible, but it can be so very frustrating at times. When he toys with players and tosses them aside I have a chuckle, that's what we want to see, but we don't need him punching people in the face. (even if it's a pretty harmless punch)

If I controlled the game I'd let the aggression back in and I'd change the rules to the way they were, because personally I'm not offended by the way he plays. The thing is it doesn't help the team, he can kick 4 goals and then go off the rails and all his work comes undone. Controlled aggression is the key in today's football, as much as we love the biff it's not the 80's anymore and there's no turning back.

Big Bad needs to get with the times, it's the only way. It would also help if the umpires didn't allow 8 scraggers to climb on his shoulders like he's babysitting for the Octomom.

A rock and a hard place.
Right on Deadly.

[Bloods]

Except that

a) we don't know how much the two of them have spoken today (do we?? - I haven't seen the whole interview. Does Roos say he hasn't spoken to Hall today?)

b) regardless of whether they've spoken today, Roos couldn't be blamed for thinking he has had the same conversation so often with Hall privately that it's not getting through.

I thought Roos could have defended Hall a bit more after the Hawthorn game when so much of the media was painting Hall's actions as another Staker type incident. I didn't like all his media comments around the Davis fall-out. And I think he is often unfairly critical of Goodes to the media. But this time I don't have any issues with him saying what he's said.

Roos is a coward.
If he does`nt want Hally,He should man up and Sack him.. His trying his best to get hall to retire and it aint happening.....
I don`t know what the swans will do without Hall.
Take all the goals his kicked this year and you`ll have the red and whites coming last...
SACK ROOS i say
His coaching is stale, and he never backs his players..
every other coach backs his players,without players playing for you, The coach will be gone... ROOS wake up,,,

[Yakety_Yak]

jesus I am no saint and have never claimed to be - but I would prefer that the club handle this without running to the media all the time - a "no comment we are handling it" is all thats required - other organisations can do it - so why not a footy club?

No one is disputing that he stuffed up - but I'm pretty sure that had you (yakety Yak that is) had have stuffed up at work (which is what Baz has done), I dont think you would like to have your employer bagging you publicly via the media- would you?

Oh and I only ever hit someone once - in netball - a lovely girl from MIC who had tried to gouge me in the eyes - those catholic girls were a nasty lot - it was the survival of the fittest.

Golly gosh!

They don't "run to the media".. the media runs to them. Even Fevola is headlines when he has a drunken leak!, or Mooney when he has aspbazzattack!

Sydney Swans FC can not afford to hibernate or hide away from media!

Roos is smart enough to use it as subtle motivation. Also kKeep the AFL & club & media satisfied...without divulging much that Hall did not already know or ought have known.

I don't earn nearly as much as him pa. Nor do I earn it "in the public eye" as an entertainer. However I know several who do and are , and they often get grilled on 7.30 report, lateline, 4Corners, ACA etc for their job "stuff ups"..real or not!

It's OK...you are forgiven....netball is a much more bitchin hard game than footy these days. I can see why you have sympathy...didn't they ask you to explain it on TV?... but you won't ever do it again will you??????

[connolly]

Golly gosh!

They don't "run to the media".. the media runs to them. Even Fevola is headlines when he has a drunken leak!, or Mooney when he has aspbazzattack!

Sydney Swans FC can not afford to hibernate or hide away from media!

Roos is smart enough to use it as subtle motivation. Also kKeep the AFL & club & media satisfied...without divulging much that Hall did not already know or ought have known.

I don't earn nearly as much as him pa. Nor do I earn it "in the public eye" as an entertainer. However I know several who do and are , and they often get grilled on 7.30 report, lateline, 4Corners, ACA etc for their job "stuff ups"..real or not!

It's OK...you are forgiven....netball is a much more bitchin hard game than footy these days. I can see why you have sympathy...didn't they ask you to explain it on TV?... but you won't ever do it again will you??????

Could anyone imagine the real greats - Len Smith or Alan Jeans publicly bagging one of theirs. Never. I recall the comment of the great John Kennedy about Jimmy Krakouer (and couldn't Jimmy and Phil throw a cut lunch) and his propensity to biff blokes - "better to have him with us than agin us". Roosey is a smart successful coach. Great coach? No cigar pal.

[Young Blood]

Some posters here seem to be in denial that Barry has whacked blokes in 3 of his last 23 games. It's self-evident that he can't control his behaviour at the moment, and it's damaging the team and the club. His teammates can no longer trust him.

He's one of our greats and I would be thrilled if the club could engineer a way for Barry to retire in a more dignified fashion. But sadly I think it's time for him to go.