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  • shaun..
    Stuck in Reserves
    • Jun 2007
    • 691

    #61
    Originally posted by sWAns63
    If we go in to 2010 with a young forward line as will be the case if we a cant get a big consistent FF will need some small forwards to pick up the crumbs.
    With Playfair we either play him or ditch him.
    His go is either as a lead up forward or at CHB/FB like he was doing for the Geelong reserves side before he moved. We need him next year to fill those holes, if not to stabilise Grundy into a permanent spot
    "In some ways we?re less predictable to ourselves and sometimes that can be detrimental because we don?t really know where we?re going" - P.Roos

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    • UglyDuckling
      On the Rookie List
      • Aug 2008
      • 452

      #62
      Originally posted by Bloody Hell
      Disagree.

      All those who think White is suited to fill the FF role today, or next year are dreaming. 2-3 years away IMHO. Is learning at AFL level, and is in a position where he is taking the 3rd best defender on opposition teams and doing well.

      Consider:

      White vs Scarlett
      White vs Prestagiacomo (?)
      White vs Lake
      White vs Rutten

      No doubt he will take this type of guy in the future - it's doubtful in the near future.

      I'm not suggesting Jolly not ruck. Indeed he would be invaluable rucking in the forward 50 with the actual ruckman sitting a kick behind play to help keep the ball in.

      I think I have more faith in the backup ruckman stocks than you - Currie and Pyke would have to carry the ruck...I see that as a positive, otherwise we may lose one of them through lack of opportunities (see Jolly).

      I can see it is possible I may have to eat my words re:White...I hope I will - it will make things much more simple.
      i dont doubt that white and johnston are going to have a few tough times against quality defenders in the next couple of years while they learn and develop but thats the nature of rebuilding a team. Thats exactly the reason i though Hall should play another year.

      Jolly would make a handy forward but would hardly dominate at best would only be worth 40-50 goals a season if he spent all his time in there. As a ruckman he is in the best 3 in the AFL and kicks a few goals already he probably end up with around 20 for the season. I think that a top ruckman is more valuable than a 40 goal forward especially considering the swans stoppage oriented style of play that relishes on first use of the ball.

      Currie and Pyke would not do nearly as good a job. By your same reasoning imagine currie and pyke getting slaughtered by Sandilands.

      Either way we are low on experienced big men and our performance will suffer somewhat over the next couple of years because of it

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      • sWAns63
        On the Rookie List
        • Apr 2003
        • 572

        #63
        Unless we get a Ff in the draft here's hoping

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        • UglyDuckling
          On the Rookie List
          • Aug 2008
          • 452

          #64
          I think the coaching staff are thinking the same as most of us Swans' forward cupboard is bare - AFL Premiership - Fox Sports

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          • Bloody Hell
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2006
            • 3085

            #65
            Originally posted by UglyDuckling
            I think the coaching staff are thinking the same as most of us Swans' forward cupboard is bare - AFL Premiership - Fox Sports
            Peter Lalor - you were wrong!
            The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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            • 10Totti10
              On the Rookie List
              • Apr 2009
              • 443

              #66
              White had a ripper of a game on Scarlett. Who said he couldn't handle him.


              Goodes Johnston Veszpremi
              Moore White Laidkaw/DOK/Currie

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #67
                Originally posted by 10Totti10
                White had a ripper of a game on Scarlett. Who said he couldn't handle him.


                Goodes Johnston Veszpremi
                Moore White Laidkaw/DOK/Currie
                My favourite image from the game is White crashing past Scarlett to grab the mark. Not too many have been able to do that.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • Primmy
                  Proud Tragic Swan
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 5970

                  #68
                  We need to find our own FF from within the Club. We have had Plugger and BBB over the last 14 years and haven't they done us proud. But it is time to find someone from within.

                  I am putting my money on White. Firstly because I have watched him develop massively over the last couple of years into a proper Swan, secondly because he has the ego required (and I mean that nicely), thirdly because he has an absolutely dense body mass which makes him physically hard as nails. His concentration and reading of the play has improved extraordinarily in the last couple of months. Does anyone know who is his mentor/private coach? Bravo to whoever.

                  Also having watched Marty recently pop up and kick some cracking good goals, is he our secret weapon that the other teams don't take into consideration. Has he been given the green light to go ahead and take his chances? Hope so.
                  If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                  • wolftone57
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5863

                    #69
                    I don't agree with u Robamiee I think we have found our full forward in White. The problem at the moment is the delivery to him. A lot of the older & mid age players would not have played with him in his capacity as a leading forward in the reserves. They don't know where to kick to his advantage yet but by next season they will, then look out oposition.

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                    • Legs Akimbo
                      Grand Poobah
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 2809

                      #70
                      Originally posted by 10Totti10
                      White had a ripper of a game on Scarlett. Who said he couldn't handle him.


                      Goodes Johnston Veszpremi
                      Moore White Laidkaw/DOK/Currie
                      Based on feedback coming in from the reserves, I suspect Vez is being groomed as a backline marshall in the mould of Luke Hodge. I think this is an oustanding turn of events. Vez as a forward seems wasted to me. Sure throw him down there for impact occassionaly, but no one spends their first draft pick on a forward pocket crumber.
                      He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                      • wolftone57
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 5863

                        #71
                        Shaun Playfair is injury prone & that is why Geelong got rid of him, other than the fact he wasn't able to take a strong contested mark at the cats in the years he was there.

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                        • wolftone57
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5863

                          #72
                          I don't think the forward line is going to be a problem, the real problem has been & will be generating enough youngsters with real pace. Our lack of pace has been a problem recently & was obvious against the pies & at times the saints. We need 1 more big man and a group of fast skillful youngsters. (O'Dwyer is a relevation)

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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5863

                            #73
                            That should be revelation

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                            • Primmy
                              Proud Tragic Swan
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 5970

                              #74
                              Originally posted by wolftone57
                              I don't think the forward line is going to be a problem, the real problem has been & will be generating enough youngsters with real pace. Our lack of pace has been a problem recently & was obvious against the pies & at times the saints. We need 1 more big man and a group of fast skillful youngsters. (O'Dwyer is a relevation)
                              Unfortunately I agree that some of our pace is not effective enough in the short hard sprints. It shows up massively when McVeigh is not on deck. We forgive Kirky because he is so good at so many things, but pace isn't his forte, and the same can be said for most of the more senior players; its just not there either to start with or any more.

                              Marty is good. Rhyce is good. Hanners too. But we don't have Kennelly, Willo, or even Mal all of whom could generate real pace. Its that linked fast delivery to the forward line that is at present compromised. It doesn't just happen like magic (sorry), the talent has to be there to start with, and then the setups can develop.

                              We do however have pace in the ressies, such as Braba, but when you look at him other parts of his game are just not happening. He still isn't making good decisions or delivery often enough to make him reliable.

                              I believe though that there is hope in Gilchrist, Gordon and BotNoon if they all make it onto the list proper. We may need to shop for pace on a recycled player for 2010. We could get lucky again, along the lines of St Kilda with the dropped Zac Dawson (What were Hawthorne thinking of!!!).
                              If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                              • Wazza
                                Regular in the Side
                                • May 2004
                                • 805

                                #75
                                Laidlaw White Meredith (resting)

                                Lewis Goodes Ves


                                Cheers

                                Waz

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