Paul Roos

[liz]

IMO I don't think the minimal circumstantial evidence so far suggests he can.

Why describe the evidence available thus far as "minimal" and "circumstantial" yet still try to draw a conclusion from it. Shouldn't we just wait and see for a while?

[Lohengrin]

Why describe the evidence available thus far as "minimal" and "circumstantial" yet still try to draw a conclusion from it. Shouldn't we just wait and see for a while?

Definitely. I don't think a conclusion should be made yet. Just early gut feel!

[Hartijon]

"This is not an ordinary list. This is an excellent well balanced list, most in the prime age bracket, with plenty of skill and hardness.
The question isn't whether Roos was a very good coach in 05-06. It is whether his record of list management, recruiting, inflexable game style from 07- 09 has left us in good shape for the future. And is he the guy to rebuild and reinvent the team. Personally I doubt it."Ernie Koala

I totally agree the team of 2005/06 was special! Plenty of talent,experience exuberence and even flair. Leo zig zagging out of the backline,Magic's magic,Davis cameo's.This team had it all and in 2004 it just needed Ball to stay healthy for the 2005 year and we were going to give the premiership a real nudge.Roosey got us disciplined ,hard at the ball,all the well known attributes about the swans. He got the players respect and respected the players in return.It was a case of the right person at the right time.

Time will tell if Roosey can confront an entirely new challenge. The jury is out but IMO he can if he gets more game day help (recruit Laidley?) more skills development into all players and some good recruiting. As said in another thread..there are many positives for the Swans revival.

[ShockOfHair]

The Roos era in perspective

We give the footy media a pummelling here, but good to see Mike Sheahan putting the Roos era into perspective.

AdelaideNow... Sydney Swans ride under Paul Roos is one to savour

SYDNEY won its first game under caretaker coach Paul Roos in 2002 then promptly lost three in a row.

Would the temporary coach do enough in his limited tenure to clinch the job permanently?

Five wins from the last six rounds provided the answer, and started one of the great runs of the decade.

Since Roos took the reins in Sydney, the Swans have won 100 of 172 games. Only Geelong and Port Adelaide have done better.

Sydney and Port have played 14 finals in that time, two more than the rest of the field.

And, in perhaps the most telling statistic of all, the Swans have lost just four games by 50 points, my choice as the threshold for a thrashing.

[Bloody Hell]

*The Swans football department is arguably one of the most well equipped in the league in terms of $$$, support etc. As such I am sure in the weekly (monthly?) progress meetings there is always an orga chart illustrating the position and role of all at the club from Roos to Kenny.

The main reasons I like Roos has little to do with coaching football (though I do appreciate his ability there). He is handsome, articulate, had an outstanding playing career, doesn't lose his temper, and controls (manipulates) the media well. Those who suggest Barry Hall is the face of the AFL in Sydney are incorrect. It is this man - Paul Roos. And therein lies his real value to the club and perhaps more so to the AFL, as a PR machine. I cannot think of another coach who could compete with Roos in this field.

I am sure his little square in the orga chart is filled with these types of roles, with the vast majority of the nitty gritty coaching work delegated to assistant coaches, though he is undoubtedly in charge of the general direction of the team.

I have stated previously that I thought we owed Ross Lyons our premiership as much as Roos. On paper our midfield was the weak link (the 05, 06 GF's were almost a team of forwards and backs vs a midfield). In reality they were our strength, and ultimately - aside from THAT mark - is what the team will be remembered forC - Lyons responsibility.

If you recall his appointment to the Saints, all and sundry thought Horse was a front runner for that posiiton, and that Lyons application was an after thought. Yet he got the job. You only need to look at the way the unbeaten Saints are playing to see his influence and strengths. Since he has stepped away from our midfield, the intensity that permiated to the rest of the team has gone downhill.

Which brings me to my point - we should keep Roos and dispatch the rest of the coaching staff. Stoppage coach should be drawn and quartered. We have a new group, a new gameplan...some fresh blood and new ideas wouldn't go astray. We have the old ideas of the assistants in Roos. I lay alot of the blame for the things that frustrate me on gameday with the assistants. Skill errors, kick-ins and stoppages - I may be wrong, but I don't believe these to be on Roos orga chart...and if they are why have assistants? No doubt Roos as head coach would take responsibilty, but it's like the CEO of a corporation taking blame for a photocopier being jammed.

I agree with some of ROKL's comments, particularly the leadership groups influence (Kirk should be captain....but it appears he has a new title, Spiritual Leader, which outranks captain ) and Roo's ability as a gameday coach, but as was stated - get a consultant! I don't think he has shown himself to be inflexible - I think he had a gameplan he believed in and stood by it. Now he has begun a change...his flexiblity is on show. I believe that Roos satisfies most of his responsibilities given from the club.

I disagree that Kirk will be the best coach from our group. Can't see the "spiritual leader" being better than Craig Bolton.


*THIS POST IS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS THAT MAY, OR MAY NOT BE TRUE.

[Bloody Hell]

I think that premise is one of the biggest flaws.

Exhibit A - Geelong are the hardest working, most disciplined team of the last few years. They always know where a team mate will be, which enables them to play the high risk footy they play so successfully. Work and team sacrifice don't stifle their brilliance - it is the framework that allows the individual brilliance within that team to sparkle.

Exhibit B - St Kilda have this year started playing incredibly disciplined, team orientated footy. Their success largely rests on the enormous pressure that every single player who wears their guernsey exerts all around the ground. Work and team sacrifice don't stifle their briliance - it is the framework that allows the individual brilliance within that team to sparkle.

Exhibit C- Adelaide don't have the same level of individual brilliance in their team that the Saints or Cats have but for much of this season they have played at a devasting level because they are so incredibly well drilled. They have a significant number of reasonably inexperienced players and probably have no right yet to be playing at the level they are. But they do because of the work and team sacrifice.

I could go on. For instance I could point out how the team structures and disciplines actually faciliatated Nick Davis kicking at least 3 of his 4 final quarter goals against Geelong in 2005. But I would have thought the evidence is pretty compelling that team ethic and at times sacrifice may not be sufficient to deliver a premiership-potential team but it is absolute necessary.

I think all A,B and C say - is if you have an unchanged team for 3 years i.e playing 50+ games together, they get to know each others game well, can anticipate their teammates reaction and play as a "team". Doesn't matter the sport, always the same result. They only difference is individual ability.

Hopefully in 3 years we'll be in the same position. You look at the teams at the bottom of the table - there are constantly changes being made. Injuries don't help.

[Armchair Coach]

I think all A,B and C say - is if you have an unchanged team for 3 years i.e playing 50+ games together, they get to know each others game well, can anticipate their teammates reaction and play as a "team". Doesn't matter the sport, always the same result. They only difference is individual ability.

Hopefully in 3 years we'll be in the same position. You look at the teams at the bottom of the table - there are constantly changes being made. Injuries don't help.

I think so too. Generational and Personnell (on/off field) changes are afoot, and a Senior Coach could only be expected to manage some of this-not all. Players need to learn how to read each other, play for each other. Roos isn't God almighty and mounting a campaign against him at this point is sour grapes. I still have hope for coming seasons. Change for changes sake isn't always a good thing.

If our fortunes are woeful by round 3 of 2010, then I'd expect the name Paul Roos will be among the usual 3-4 names that get tossed about whenever media speculation about coaching positions begins, as it does in every season of Football. Neil Craig and Mark Harvey will be the others. Alastair Clarkson in 2011.