Game Day Thread: Rd 20 Swans v Geelong

[Plugger46]

Aside from "that kick", Moore was great. Had 21 possessions, 9 contested, kicked a goal, worked hard, and disposed of the ball reasonably well. Faded a bit in the second half, but this was his best game this year, and he was far from our bottom six on the night. Barlow was also far from shocking, having some important touches. Was by no means dominant, but acquitted himself well.

And Leo was rather poor, I thought. I still want him in the team though. Woudn't mind him played simply as a loose man in defence.

Couldn't agree more.

[caj23]

His work off the ball last night was very good.

He continually provided an outlet up forward, leading wide for teammates, although he was rarely used. This often created room behind him and allowed guys like MOL and White to lead into space.

His hustle to get the ball forward for MOL(?) goal in the last quarter was excellent, taking on 3 Geelong defenders and forcing it to spill free.

He also laid a very, very clever shepherd for Mattners snapped goal in the 3rd. It is barely captured on the TV, but he instantly moved in to take out a Geelong defender when MOL snapped the handball to Mattner. This allowed Mattner to steady and snap. Make no bones about it, without the Ablett move, Mattner would have had his kick smothered or at best a quick wild snap under pressure.

Sometimes players just have way better games than shows up on the TV and Abletts game last night was a perfect example.

So he made lots of dummy leads and laid a shepard to add to his 6 possies. I note he only laid 2 tackles.

Awesome

I'm sorry but not only would it be more beneifcial to be getting game time into Vez, but Vez is actually capable of making a contribution as a forward (e.g. making a real lead to take a mark, kicking a goal etc.)

[BSA5]

[QUOTE=Hartijon;454183]

Woudn't mind him played simply as a loose man in defence.

??? I think you are confusing a strategy with a fixed position.There is no position called "loose man in defense".it is a strategy employed when the opposition is on a roll.It automatically frees up an opposition player somewhere which can back fire on you.To start a game with a loose man in defence is like putting up a white flag before a battle.The point of a game is to win not to defend the oppositions attacks.

I'm not confusing anything. Lot's of teams play a loose man in defence on a consistent basis. Hawthorn does this with Luke Hodge. Occasionally, the opposition will want to play man-on-man, in which case you put your loose man on their weakest forward, and allow him to be loose in his checking. We've done this with Richards for the last couple of years. Richmond did it with Bowden, Geelong started doing it with Harley. It's become far more common this year, with guys like Aaron Davey and Tambling often stepping into that role.

[stellation]

If we're assigning the loss to individual moments I would like to add Goodes dropped mark in the last 5 minutes. One he usually snaffles. 30m out - swans take the lead.

I think over all the Swans had more moments like this atr the end of the game, but at the start it was all Geelong throwing away opportunities.

I'm not assigning the loss to individual moments, just saying that in that case it was Moore's mistake and I was dissapointed that he didn't appear to make even a token effort to pressure Corey as he ran into an open goal (he may have, or he may just have never been in position to put pressure on him- this is just my interpretation from watching it live at the game, I haven't seen a replay).

I thought Moore played well overall and it was one of his better games this year.

[Triple B]

So he made lots of dummy leads and laid a shepard to add to his 6 possies. I note he only laid 2 tackles.

Awesome

I'm sorry but not only would it be more beneifcial to be getting game time into Vez, but Vez is actually capable of making a contribution as a forward (e.g. making a real lead to take a mark, kicking a goal etc.)

I don't disagree with you about other options that may be better, as I said to Primmy, I'm not a huge fan of NOG anyway.

BUT

He's game WAS good the other night, IMO, and I supplied examples of some good work that he did which was off the ball and would not have been picked up on the TV coverage, therefore fans confined to watching the game from there lounge in Melbourne (admittedly, I'm only making an assumption you are one of those fans) would not be privy to.

As I said, sometimes players just have one of those nights where they work hard and do the team things which don't show up on a TV coverage. NOG's game the other night was a prime example.

If you'd prefer to just look at the Herald Sun and pull a few stats out as evidence, so be it.

From your posts over the years I reckon you're a bit better than that.

[ScottH]

I'm not assigning the loss to individual moments, just saying that in that case it was Moore's mistake and I was dissapointed that he didn't appear to make even a token effort to pressure Corey as he ran into an open goal (he may have, or he may just have never been in position to put pressure on him- this is just my interpretation from watching it live at the game, I haven't seen a replay).

I thought Moore played well overall and it was one of his better games this year.

That was the most disappointing part of his cross goal kick. He really did play well. In the first 15 mins he seemed to be everywhere.

[Triple B]

I'm not assigning the loss to individual moments, just saying that in that case it was Moore's mistake and I was dissapointed that he didn't appear to make even a token effort to pressure Corey as he ran into an open goal (he may have, or he may just have never been in position to put pressure on him- this is just my interpretation from watching it live at the game, I haven't seen a replay).

I thought Moore played well overall and it was one of his better games this year.

From my vantage point, I don't think Bulldog could have affected Corey's kick. In fact, my immediate thoughts were that ROK gave up the chase and appeared more interested in giving Bulldog a WTF look than trying to chase down Corey. Like you though, I'm only going off it live and a replay on the big screen.

What i did see however was Bulldog put a hand in the air immediately, acknowledging the 'mistake' and apologising to ROK for putting him under pressure.

[dimelb]

You could also point some blame at ... Jack letting Ablett out of a tackle right in front of goal ...

Was my first thought when it happened, rapidly adjusted to an appreciation of how strong Ablett is through the body. Jack's tackling is generally good but he needs to build and use all the strength he has to tackle someone like Ablett.

[stellation]

From my vantage point, I don't think Bulldog could have affected Corey's kick. In fact, my immediate thoughts were that ROK gave up the chase and appeared more interested in giving Bulldog a WTF look than trying to chase down Corey. Like you though, I'm only going off it live and a replay on the big screen.

You're probably right, I was sitting around the 50m line of the pocket that Moore kicked the ball from- on my angle it was tough to tell the distance he was. I did feel that the kick transfered play to roughly the same distance out from goals from where it was kicked, and Moore was running that direction when he kicked it. I think he jogged it in and got to around a few metres from the square when Corey scored, sprinting he obviously might have got a bit closer.

That said, it wasn't really that I thought he could have gotten to Corey, he was never going to have him for leg speed, it was just that he gave up on the play after making the mistake.

[stellation]

That was the most disappointing part of his cross goal kick. He really did play well. In the first 15 mins he seemed to be everywhere.

Yep- he should have been walking away from that game with a lot of faith in his own ability but I'm certain that mistake would have wiped away all confidence he may have gained.

[Triple B]

You're probably right, I was sitting around the 50m line of the pocket that Moore kicked the ball from- on my angle it was tough to tell the distance he was.

I was on the 50m line on the other side (next to the players race), so I guess between us we were in the 2 worst positions to judge distances on that play.

[Hartijon]

[QUOTE=BSA5;454250]

I'm not confusing anything. Lot's of teams play a loose man in defence on a consistent basis. Hawthorn does this with Luke Hodge. Occasionally, the opposition will want to play man-on-man, in which case you put your loose man on their weakest forward, and allow him to be loose in his checking. We've done this with Richards for the last couple of years. Richmond did it with Bowden, Geelong started doing it with Harley. It's become far more common this year, with guys like Aaron Davey and Tambling often stepping into that role.

Yeah, all the above is true but there are many strategies adopted all over the field. You were suggesting a new role for Leo as our loose man in defence and I think were suggesting it as a regular role. Having explained above how a loose man if not a loose man takes the weakest forward and then is loose on him , I still see this suggestion as a poor strategy full of potential weaknesses. Football is a dynamic game and other match ups may mean Goodsey becomes our loose man or some one else. Leo is a great defender and can cut someone right out of the game with his defensive work. A Luke Hodge is a different player. Do you think Geelong would let him kill them in the backlines a second time? In other words you don't nominate a loose man like you do other positions on the field..its a role decided in the course of the game and a couple of guys can usually do it well..most can't and it seems a waste of Leo's skills as well as a bad idea.

[Industrial Fan]

I was on the 50m line on the other side (next to the players race), so I guess between us we were in the 2 worst positions to judge distances on that play.

I was on the 50m mark opposite you screaming about BLTs mark and didnt see the play at all so I'd say I was in a worse position to judge distances...

[Bloody Hell]

That was the most disappointing part of his cross goal kick. He really did play well. In the first 15 mins he seemed to be everywhere.

To be fair he had nowhere to go. If he kicked towards the wing it would have been pick up by Geelong. If he tried to but it to the boundary it would have been a great kick to get it over ROK's head but not OOBOTF.

It was one of those moments where everyone was covered and he had someone baring down on him. He went with the only option.

Thought it was his best game...I even gave him votes in the TLM. If he had an extra yard of pace - what a player he'd be.

[Bloody Hell]

Jack letting Ablett out of a tackle right in front of goal.

That's just GAblett Jr. I've seen Jack absolutely destroy people with his tackling, but the number of times SOG stood in the tackle and Jack fell off him...he's amazing. I think he's made of lead.

The number of times early in the game the ball wasn't kicked to Goodes advantage. Over his head, short, side.

Drove me nuts. The only thing I could think of is that they're not used to kicking to him on a lead - ie unsure of his speed and ability. Hopefully picks up in the off season.

I saw one instance where Goodes should have split a pack, but he pulled out. Anyone think he's going to bulk up in the off season? He's done it before - interesting to see which way they go with him.